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re: Director Admits Transformers 2 was crap

Posted on 3/7/11 at 4:21 pm to
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 4:21 pm to
Why is it snobbery to ask for a decent story? I like a good movie with explosions. Transformers wasn't a good movie.

Having standards isn't snobbery. Actually, I'd argue rexlexively hating an Oscar nominated film is a form of snobbery itself. judge a movie on its own merits.
Posted by GamecockAlum
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 4:23 pm to
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Yeah sure, only snobs hadn't the cinematic perfection that was Transformers 2


And what point are you trying to make? We get it, you hated T2. So we can count on you NOT to see the third correct?

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Yes, I am a better and more knowledgeable film goer than one who likes Transformers 2. I can say that pretty confidently.


Movie Snob for sure. I saw The Departed too. Big fricking Deal.

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Yeah, because everyone knows that Box Office equals the quality of the film.


Considering the motion picture industry is is just that - an industry that relies on money for its existence - then yes these films are a success. Who gives a shite if some art snobs don't like it?

You think Martin Scorcese would make movies if he didn't get paid to do so? Hell no. He's in it for the movie just like every other director/actor out there.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 4:25 pm to
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Do you really think most high school kids know what Brokeback Mountain is? Do you think any of them even knew that Heath Ledger was in it?

You are extremely ignorant if you think that more than 30-45 million Americans knew who Heath Ledger was before The Dark Knight just because he was in Brokeback Mountain.


Well when you find out about the film, you then ask someone who's in it, especially when it has a concept like this. Yes I'd be willing to bet that 30-40 million Americans knew about Heath being in Brokeback, and I can guarentee that every high schooler in the country knew about Brokeback Mountain (speaking as someone who was in high school during Brokeback Mountain). I mean do you think High Schoolers don't find something to call gay at least once a day wouldn't find out about a wide release film that is about nothing but gayness. I love how you think you are so fricking smart and say the stupidest shite.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 4:25 pm to
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You are a retard if you think 30-45 million Americans knew who Heath Ledger was before The Dark Knight. You seriously think that more than 10-15% of our nation saw or gave a shite about Brokeback Mountain, much less knew who the hell was in it?


I'm almost embarrassed for you right now.
Posted by GamecockAlum
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 4:27 pm to
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Why is it snobbery to ask for a decent story? I like a good movie with explosions. Transformers wasn't a good movie.


What kind of story are you expecting about giant alien robots?

You may not have thought it was "good" but I and a few million others enjoyed it.

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Having standards isn't snobbery. Actually, I'd argue rexlexively hating an Oscar nominated film is a form of snobbery itself. judge a movie on its own merits.



Both sides are ridiculous. If you enjoy a movie then you enjoy it. Shake the haters. I enjoyed Transformers 2 and Avatar. I also enjoyed Forrest Gump, Pulp Fiction, The Departed (even though the forced Irish accents annoy the shite out of me), and Gangs of New York. If every movie was the same damn thing over and over and over again, you'd have people complaining about originality - oh wait... people already do.
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 4:28 pm to
Sure, it's a business. but its possible to make something of quality while not simply playing to the lowest common denominator. Scorcese wants to make money, sure, but he also is trying to do that while making quality films.

If all you're trying to do is move product, you have ceased to be an artist. you're just making a commercial. I think many people in film want to make a quality product AND turn in a profit. there's nothing wrong with making money, but trying to make money without regard to the quality of your film is kind of repugnant. We don't have to praise the guy who churns out crap, knowing its crap, just because it sells to idiots.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 4:29 pm to
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What kind of story are you expecting about giant alien robots?



One that doesn't throw aside common sense and every event that happened in the previous film. Also don't be extremely racist during the film when you're not funny. Also don't go to extremely stupid measures to get the main character involved in the plot.
Posted by GamecockAlum
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 4:30 pm to
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Well when you find out about the film, you then ask someone who's in it, especially when it has a concept like this. Yes I'd be willing to bet that 30-40 million Americans knew about Heath being in Brokeback, and I can guarentee that every high schooler in the country knew about Brokeback Mountain (speaking as someone who was in high school during Brokeback Mountain). I mean do you think High Schoolers don't find something to call gay at least once a day wouldn't find out about a wide release film that is about nothing but gayness. I love how you think you are so fricking smart and say the stupidest shite.








You really think high school kids took the time to research and even see the film they used in their gay reference jokes? I cracked jokes about it too, but outside of Jake G, I didn't know any other cast members because let's face it, what the hell do I care about a movie about gay cowboys.

I seriously doubt 30-45 million Americans knew that Ledger was in Brokeback Mountain before TDK. If you want to believe that just because it was a popular movie for people to reference in jokes that they knew the principal cast members then you can go ahead and believe that but it doesn't make it so.
Posted by GamecockAlum
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 4:32 pm to
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Director Admits Transformers 2 was crap
Sure, it's a business. but its possible to make something of quality while not simply playing to the lowest common denominator. Scorcese wants to make money, sure, but he also is trying to do that while making quality films.

If all you're trying to do is move product, you have ceased to be an artist. you're just making a commercial. I think many people in film want to make a quality product AND turn in a profit. there's nothing wrong with making money, but trying to make money without regard to the quality of your film is kind of repugnant. We don't have to praise the guy who churns out crap, knowing its crap, just because it sells to idiots.


Some people just want to see an action movie that doesn't require them to process a shitload of information. Do you really want to spend all week working your office or at your job and then hit the cinema on Friday night to have to process a shitload of information thrown at you by Hollywood? Not I. I'll sit back and enjoy robots beating the shite out of each other.
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 4:34 pm to
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What kind of story are you expecting about giant alien robots?

A coherent one. Hell, the plot of the animated movie, which is pretty entertaining. But why are your standrads so low as to not demand a coherent script from a blockbuster? What? they couldn't afford it?

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You may not have thought it was "good" but I and a few million others enjoyed it.
Good for them. I've often said on this board that you like what you like. I have no problem with someone liking Transformers. I think its a terrible movie, and I made a case why. You said its a good movie, because it sold a bunch of tickets. which has nothing to do with its actual quality. Make an argument why it was good. I'll listen.

McDonald's will always sell more than a quality local restautant. It doesn't mean it's better (or that McDonald's should be driven out of business).

The poeple who honestly care about quality in music, movies, and TV is actually quite low. But those people tend to discuss that stuff the most. We churn out 95% of the criticism. and its honestly because we love movies.
Posted by GamecockAlum
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 4:35 pm to
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One that doesn't throw aside common sense and every event that happened in the previous film.


I do agree that them ignoring the city events in T1 was kind of annoying but I didn't even notice that until I saw the sequel again on Netflix. I prefer to enjoy my movies at theaters rather than analyze them, but to each his own.

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Also don't be extremely racist during the film when you're not funny.


Jazz was a ghettobot in the first movie was well. They picked up their slanguages from the world wide web. They must have received theirs from some hip hop blog or some shite.

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Also don't go to extremely stupid measures to get the main character involved in the plot.


Now you're just crawfishing. If you didn't like it you didn't like it, but don't shite all over it for people who did enjoy it.
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 4:37 pm to
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Some people just want to see an action movie that doesn't require them to process a shitload of information. Do you really want to spend all week working your office or at your job and then hit the cinema on Friday night to have to process a shitload of information thrown at you by Hollywood? Not I. I'll sit back and enjoy robots beating the shite out of each other.
What definition of decent plot means "shitload of information"? Actually, that would be a BAD plot. And I'd argue Transformers has a fairly complicated backstory, which makes it hard to follow.

Crank, for example, has a pretty ridiculous plot, but it makes internal sense. And it kicks a lot of arse. It's also pretty simple, but still sets the whole film in motion. I'm not asking for an intricate plot, just one that makes sense and characters doing things for reasons other than "we need them to do this to get to the next action set piece"
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 4:38 pm to
Brokeback Mountain made like $90 million. Heath Ledger was nominated for a Leading Actor Oscar for gods sake.
Posted by Flair Chops
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 4:39 pm to
This shite is going to go on for a solid week.
Posted by GamecockAlum
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 4:40 pm to
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A coherent one. Hell, the plot of the animated movie, which is pretty entertaining. But why are your standrads so low as to not demand a coherent script from a blockbuster? What? they couldn't afford it?



What animated movie?

What exactly was so incoherent about it? It was pretty straightforward to me.

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Good for them. I've often said on this board that you like what you like. I have no problem with someone liking Transformers. I think its a terrible movie, and I made a case why. You said its a good movie, because it sold a bunch of tickets. which has nothing to do with its actual quality. Make an argument why it was good. I'll listen.



I never said it was good just because it made a lot of money. I look at movies as entertainment not art. I should enjoy my entertainment and with that in mind, Transformers was enjoyable for me. I'm not going to try to convince you it was good if you already say you disliked it. If you enjoy it you enjoy it, if you don't you don't. Whatever works for you. I just hate people who go in expecting one thing (foolishly) and then come out saying it was horrible when it wasn't what they expected. Or they expect a certain movie to be their vision of a great film when it was never intended to be compared to that movie.

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The poeple who honestly care about quality in music, movies, and TV is actually quite low. But those people tend to discuss that stuff the most. We churn out 95% of the criticism. and its honestly because we love movies.


It's all a matter of taste. Some people prefer to drink their budweiser and enjoy themselves. Others prefer to have wine tastings.
Posted by Flair Chops
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 4:40 pm to
I first encountered Heath in 10 Things..., and I'm confident enough in my sexuality to admit that.
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 4:41 pm to
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Brokeback Mountain made like $90 million. Heath Ledger was nominated for a Leading Actor Oscar for gods sake.
And 38.9 million people watched the Oscars that year. Meaning they knew Heath Ledger was in Brokeback, at least by the end of the broadcast.

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Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 4:41 pm to
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You really think high school kids took the time to research and even see the film they used in their gay reference jokes? I cracked jokes about it too, but outside of Jake G, I didn't know any other cast members because let's face it, what the hell do I care about a movie about gay cowboys.


All the kids knew was that two gay cowboys, named Heath Ledger and Jake Gylinahal, were fricking in a tent on a mountain. Thats all they need to know.

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I seriously doubt 30-45 million Americans knew that Ledger was in Brokeback Mountain before TDK. If you want to believe that just because it was a popular movie for people to reference in jokes that they knew the principal cast members then you can go ahead and believe that but it doesn't make it so.



Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 4:42 pm to
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Brokeback Mountain made like $90 million. Heath Ledger was nominated for a Leading Actor Oscar for gods sake.



Seriously, please go on and keep burying yourself alive on this board. This is getting funny.
Posted by The Egg
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 4:43 pm to
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And 38.9 million people watched the Oscars that year. Meaning they knew Heath Ledger was in Brokeback, at least by the end of the broadcast.
yeah but HOW MANY HIGH SCHOOLERS KNEW ABOUT HIM?!
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