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re: Defend a villain
Posted on 1/7/25 at 7:11 pm to CocomoLSU
Posted on 1/7/25 at 7:11 pm to CocomoLSU
The shark in Jaws.
I mean, it's a shark, not a conniving evil mastermind. Sharks gotta eat. Sharks live in the ocean. No one in that movie HAD to be in the ocean to survive or anything. It was all just fun and games for them, but for the shark, it was survival. Don't be mad that the shark was such a chad that it wasn't afraid of humans. Get out of the water. Easy solution, but no. frickin Massholes had to get their tourism money.
I mean, it's a shark, not a conniving evil mastermind. Sharks gotta eat. Sharks live in the ocean. No one in that movie HAD to be in the ocean to survive or anything. It was all just fun and games for them, but for the shark, it was survival. Don't be mad that the shark was such a chad that it wasn't afraid of humans. Get out of the water. Easy solution, but no. frickin Massholes had to get their tourism money.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 7:27 pm to CocomoLSU
Denzel in fences. Crappy person, could have been a much crappier dad, chose tough love over continuing the trend his daddy set.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 7:42 pm to Gusoline
Western University Booster President , Happy Kuykendahl
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Happy : I own you, Pete. You're mine!
Dude was NIL 30 years ago!
Posted on 1/7/25 at 7:51 pm to evil cockroach
Dean Wormer kind of has a point with the Deltas, although he goes way too far by notifying their local draft boards that they’re all eligible for military service:

Posted on 1/7/25 at 7:53 pm to Sam Quint
Principal Rooney in Ferris Bueller's Day Off. What was he supposed to do? He was the principal.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 7:54 pm to biglego
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I always defend Jenny from Forest Gump.
You shouldn’t; she’s awful.
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She gets shat on for foisting her kid on Forest before dying and not telling Forest that it was his kid until too late. She gets shat on for being a tramp and not staying with Forest who loved her and would’ve treated her right.
As she should.
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How can we judge her for not staying with Forest? He was literally retarded. She gave this retarded man a piece of arse, and nobody else ever gave him such a treasure. Can’t expect her to settle down with him, but kudos to her for giving him the one thing every man wants above all else.
Bruh. You can’t call him “literally retarded” and then not give her shite for fricking him. That’s essentially rape of a mentally handicapped person. This isn’t the argument you seem to think it is.
Now, if you want to argue that he’s high functioning (which he obviously is….and IMO he’s just sort of slow and not actually retarded), that’s fine. But then you have to admit he was a good match for her. She needed someone to take care of her and to sort of fill in that dad role that she really never had and was robbed of as a child.
Knowingly keeping someone’s kid from them is pure evil (assuming the person you’re hiding them from isn’t dangerous to the kid or some shite). She knew it was his and never said a word until she was sick. Which begs the question: if she never gets sick it seems likely that she literally never tells Forest that he has a child. How fricking vile is that?
She literally uses and takes advantage of Forest at almost every turn. She manipulates him on and off for practically his entire life. She’s the 90s equivalent of a stupid attention whore who bitches to her best guy friend (who’s very obviously in love with her) some fishing type of “I’m so ugly, nobody likes me!” bullshite to get him to respond with love and praise to stoke her ego because the newest a-hole she was dating finally got tired of her whorish bullshite. And once she gets her pick-me-up from her guy friend, she leaves him in the dust and moves onto the next douchebag that will treat her like the piece of shite she is.
Of all the takes in this thread, you win the worst so far.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 7:54 pm to rebelrouser
I don't quite believe that traumatizing poor Jeannie in her own home is in his job description.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 7:59 pm to OMLandshark
Having her dad tossed in the nut house to frick her isn’t really defensible
Posted on 1/7/25 at 7:59 pm to rebelrouser
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Principal Rooney in Ferris Bueller's Day Off. What was he supposed to do? He was the principal.
Probably not leave school and make his entire day about proving a point about a single student, up to and including breaking into his home and terrorizing his sister.
Just give him detention and be done with it or something.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 8:07 pm to CocomoLSU
Cal from Titanic
Cal wasn’t the bad guy or unreasonable. He treated Rose with love and affection, bought her gifts, gave her everything she wanted and she stiffed him. He even says in the scene he gives her the necklace, “Open your heart to me, Rose” almost like it hurt him.
Then she goes, gets drunk, dances in third class with another man and comes home late. And at breakfast he says that she’s not allowed to do that again (completely reasonable request as her fiancé) and she says he has no right to tell her what to do?
Yeah he may have acted irrationally by turning the table over and yelling but damn. She basically just said she would cheat on him and he had no right to tell her she couldn’t.
Then she brings that same guy back to THEIR sweet, gets naked and lets Jack draw her and leaves it in his safe so he would find it.
How in the world are we supposed to say that he is completely unreasonable or the bad guy in that situation? It’s never made sense to me.
Cal wasn’t the bad guy or unreasonable. He treated Rose with love and affection, bought her gifts, gave her everything she wanted and she stiffed him. He even says in the scene he gives her the necklace, “Open your heart to me, Rose” almost like it hurt him.
Then she goes, gets drunk, dances in third class with another man and comes home late. And at breakfast he says that she’s not allowed to do that again (completely reasonable request as her fiancé) and she says he has no right to tell her what to do?
Yeah he may have acted irrationally by turning the table over and yelling but damn. She basically just said she would cheat on him and he had no right to tell her she couldn’t.
Then she brings that same guy back to THEIR sweet, gets naked and lets Jack draw her and leaves it in his safe so he would find it.
How in the world are we supposed to say that he is completely unreasonable or the bad guy in that situation? It’s never made sense to me.
This post was edited on 1/7/25 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 1/7/25 at 8:07 pm to theGarnetWay
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Does that really count as murder if they just go away (they clearly don't die)?
Uh yeah. I'd say going away (for what was intended to be for eternity) equates to dying. Do you think there's any comfort in someone losing a loved one "Well, at least they just went away via dust."
Also, if something like that were to really happen there would be plenty of people that would actually die. Think about how many car wrecks, plane crashes, etc. would happen if half the population just disappeared at any given time and how many people that weren't dusted would get killed or maimed as collateral.
Politically, it could lead to untold power vacuums that could also leads to God knows what.
The original comic version was Thanos was in love with the entity Death (a real character in the comics). The balance motivation was inserted because a metaphysical entity of Death would have been unappealing if not horrifying in major overseas markets.
The sacrifice of half of the lives in existence was his play to gain her affection and more transparently evil (the sacrifice of countless for personal benefit).
As the quote above touches on, the balance motivation doesn't make any sort of sense if preservation of resources were the goal. A population cut in half can readily recover, often in less than two generations
Posted on 1/7/25 at 8:12 pm to CocomoLSU
FWIW I am surprised not to have seen Air Force One and The Rock mentioned yet
Both central villains have solid motivations
Both central villains have solid motivations
Posted on 1/7/25 at 8:12 pm to StansberryRules
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Yes rewatching Varsity Blues as an adult you realize that Mox was a selfish a-hole who had no business being on the football team. Lockerroom cancer and program destroyer.
While we're ragging on Texas high school quarterbacks for being ninny-babies, Randall "Pink" Floyd can get bent too. I mean, all that pissing and moaning because the coached asked you to sign some sort of "clean living" pledge heading into your senior year? They had a real chance to win state the next season, the coach was just trying a tactic to keep everyone focused and on the same page. Just sign the damned thing and never think about it again like 100% of other high school students would do. It's not like there still wasn't going to be a kegger every weekend just because a few guys signed a pledge. Or don't sign it if it's that important to you, but either way spare everyone around you your "I'm so deep and special" angst. The team would probably be better off without your scrawny arse under center anyway.
Also, the fact that he's seriously listening to Wooderson (a self-admitted burnout loser)'s life lesson at the end about not following rules and "you gotta keep on living" doesn't bode well for Floyd's future prospects of making something out of his life. You know what DOES bode well for someone's future prospects in life? Making a habit out of setting goals, putting in place a plan for how to achieve those goals and then following through with that plan to achieve results. You know, like setting a goal of winning a state championship and then working hard and sacrificing a tiny smidge of fun your senior year to try and achieve it. That's what successful people do.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 8:18 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Cal from Titanic
Cal was 100% in the right.
Rose was the evil one. Great tits, but a bad seed.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 8:29 pm to molsusports
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the quote above touches on, the balance motivation doesn't make any sort of sense if preservation of resources were the goal. A population cut in half can readily recover, often in less than two generations
Exactly. The Thanos was right believers are generally just trying to sound hardass for a genocidal concept that didn’t make any sense anyway.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 8:40 pm to CocomoLSU
Ok... this will get interesting here:
Sauron in Lord of the Rings.
He was an Ainur and involved in the conception and construction of Ea (the universe). He was aware of the general concept, and initially he was very high in the service of Aule (the Valar smith). Unlike Melkor (the first Dark Lord), Sauron didn't want to destroy it all, he wanted control and order, and a structured, efficient society.
We see him through the eyes of the Elves and Valar, but you have to consider that they were immortal, and the Elves were destined to fade from the physical world, leaving mortals (Men, Dwarves etc) to... do whatever. Fend for themselves, without the direct guidance of the Valar (as had been provided to the Elves), or even the help of the Elves after a few thousand years. Remember, Tolkien considered this to be Earth pre-history, the Elves are gone now and we have millennia of history with Men warring amongst themselves, and often poor and ignorant. Sauron, an Angelic being, wanted to guide that history and elevate mankind.
Look at his forces- orcs, considered the scourge of Middle Earth and unworthy to survive. Yet they coexisted fine with the Haradrim and Easterlings in Sauron's armies, and with the Dunlendings in Saruman's.
Sure, he thought he should rule, since he "knows best"... but he IS a Maiar who was present at the formation. He kinda DOES know what's best
Sauron in Lord of the Rings.
He was an Ainur and involved in the conception and construction of Ea (the universe). He was aware of the general concept, and initially he was very high in the service of Aule (the Valar smith). Unlike Melkor (the first Dark Lord), Sauron didn't want to destroy it all, he wanted control and order, and a structured, efficient society.
We see him through the eyes of the Elves and Valar, but you have to consider that they were immortal, and the Elves were destined to fade from the physical world, leaving mortals (Men, Dwarves etc) to... do whatever. Fend for themselves, without the direct guidance of the Valar (as had been provided to the Elves), or even the help of the Elves after a few thousand years. Remember, Tolkien considered this to be Earth pre-history, the Elves are gone now and we have millennia of history with Men warring amongst themselves, and often poor and ignorant. Sauron, an Angelic being, wanted to guide that history and elevate mankind.
Look at his forces- orcs, considered the scourge of Middle Earth and unworthy to survive. Yet they coexisted fine with the Haradrim and Easterlings in Sauron's armies, and with the Dunlendings in Saruman's.
Sure, he thought he should rule, since he "knows best"... but he IS a Maiar who was present at the formation. He kinda DOES know what's best
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:01 pm to CocomoLSU
Darth Vader.
Look, it's hard being a dad. It's even harder being a dad when you wife dies and you don't know your "best friend" and "mentor" kidnapped your kids and kept them secret from you for all those years. Now you have to make up for lost birthdays, missing so many multiple sunsets on Tatooine as you tell your kid to stare at the stars and see all the great force users of the past looking down on you. Or visit his daughter for nice walks on sand free Alderaan explaining to her about the amazing and strong mother she had and how you hope she will turn out.
On top of all that, you have terrorist causing civil havoc across the galaxy, you have an a-hole of a boss who puts very high expectations on you... doesn't want to give you PTO to spend with them, just throws you in a suit without asking your permission on style and color and makes you get back to work, and then uses the death of your wife as a way to control you and make you feel insignificant.
And really, I don't want to hear about him chopping his son's hand off. They were play fighting. The kid has to learn to defend himself so he can work harder to be the JEDI like his Father before him. And ok, he overreacted and blew up his daughter's planet. But she didn't see the BIG picture that her life there was holding her back from being the princess that she deserved to be.
Luke and Leia was too hard on Vader. He didn't know they existed, worked 80 hours a week, had to help build a freaking death star, deal with incompetent engineers and the shoddy Galactic Union work by failing to close off all holes in their structure. Constant Zoom calls with his boss that could have been emails (WE ALL KNOW THAT FEELING), and trying to keep an army of soldiers from shooting their eyes out. Would it have killed them to have more than 1 dinner in a Cloud town 2 star gas station restaurant and listen to his offers to join him on his ship and learn about his job and learn about the great stories their dad had to offer?!?
Edit: And the fact Leia would get mad at Darth getting a jobless bum of a boyfriend out of her picture (and into the hutts) because she is a princess and deserves someone better... That's just being a good dad there. He would have raised her SOOOO much better than going after that riff raff.
Look, it's hard being a dad. It's even harder being a dad when you wife dies and you don't know your "best friend" and "mentor" kidnapped your kids and kept them secret from you for all those years. Now you have to make up for lost birthdays, missing so many multiple sunsets on Tatooine as you tell your kid to stare at the stars and see all the great force users of the past looking down on you. Or visit his daughter for nice walks on sand free Alderaan explaining to her about the amazing and strong mother she had and how you hope she will turn out.
On top of all that, you have terrorist causing civil havoc across the galaxy, you have an a-hole of a boss who puts very high expectations on you... doesn't want to give you PTO to spend with them, just throws you in a suit without asking your permission on style and color and makes you get back to work, and then uses the death of your wife as a way to control you and make you feel insignificant.
And really, I don't want to hear about him chopping his son's hand off. They were play fighting. The kid has to learn to defend himself so he can work harder to be the JEDI like his Father before him. And ok, he overreacted and blew up his daughter's planet. But she didn't see the BIG picture that her life there was holding her back from being the princess that she deserved to be.
Luke and Leia was too hard on Vader. He didn't know they existed, worked 80 hours a week, had to help build a freaking death star, deal with incompetent engineers and the shoddy Galactic Union work by failing to close off all holes in their structure. Constant Zoom calls with his boss that could have been emails (WE ALL KNOW THAT FEELING), and trying to keep an army of soldiers from shooting their eyes out. Would it have killed them to have more than 1 dinner in a Cloud town 2 star gas station restaurant and listen to his offers to join him on his ship and learn about his job and learn about the great stories their dad had to offer?!?
Edit: And the fact Leia would get mad at Darth getting a jobless bum of a boyfriend out of her picture (and into the hutts) because she is a princess and deserves someone better... That's just being a good dad there. He would have raised her SOOOO much better than going after that riff raff.
This post was edited on 1/7/25 at 11:07 pm
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