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Daredevil Season 3 SPOILERS Thread

Posted on 10/23/18 at 7:37 am
Posted by GeauxAggie972
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 7:37 am
For those of you that are like me and marathoned through the series like I did, I figure I create this so we can start talking about things more in depth and what's ahead for Season 4 after this wonderfully done season.

Obivously it looks as if we're going to get the much more dangerous Bullseye in season 4 with Dr. Oyama AKA Lord Dark Wind, who might get more air time, operating on him
This post was edited on 10/23/18 at 7:40 am
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 7:50 am to
How cold hearted is Sister Maggie? The son you abandoned loses his father and goes blind and you still act like you don't know him? That might be one of the things that puts DD S3 over the top as the best Netflix Marvel season. That one reveal makes all those scenes with Sister Maggie so much more meaningful and not just filler.

I loved how they showed the transformation of Fisk into Kingpin. Gradually over several episodes he went from being a prisoner of the FBI, to the FBI guarding him, to the FBI being his henchmen taking out his rivals. Team DD kept coming up with plans to take him out and at every turn he was 3 steps ahead, he was a great villain.

I don't know if Season 4 is too soon for more Kingpin as the big bad, but Alice Eve was great as Typhoid Mary in IF S2 and her original story line from the comics is Kingpin used her to target Matt Murdoch. I'd kind of like to see that but I think more Wilson Fisk this soon might be a bit repetitive.

Also, there were several times where it really seemed like DD needed help. Isn't Foggy the top attorney for powered people in NYC? WTF Foggy?

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Obivously it looks as if we're going to get the much more dangerous Bullseye in season 4


A serial killer with Bullseye's killing ability, seems like he'd make a good foe for Frank Castle rather than coming back for round 2 in DD.
This post was edited on 10/23/18 at 7:53 am
Posted by GeauxAggie972
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 7:57 am to
I kept wondering when they would reveal she was his mom. IIRC, I think one of the earlier episodes ended with Matt and Maggie and they kind of pulled the rug out from under you because it was set up nicely for her to reveal it. Made me start thinking, "Damn they're never going to reveal it"

Kingpin was excellent, and they were amazing showing how he did his due diligence to turn each of them while also showing how much of an arse he truly was.

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A serial killer with Bullseye's killing ability, seems like he'd make a good foe for Frank Castle rather than coming back for round 2 in DD.


They'll be going the Jigsaw route in season 2 with that I think
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 8:19 am to
If you have any interest in behind the scenes stuff, here's a good article about the prison fight sequence which was done in one take.
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At this year’s New York Comic Con, Daredevil’s new showrunner, Erik Oleson, made a daring boast. “Remember the hallway fight?” he told the huddled crowd at his show’s official panel. “Yeah, we top that.”

...In the newly released third season’s fourth episode, there’s a remarkable single-take scene that balloons out to a whopping 10 minutes and 43 seconds. Set during a prison riot, it somehow manages to not only be a massive, multiplayer fight sequence centered around hero Matt Murdock, but also a stretch of film featuring an extended period of emotional, plot-altering dialogue. What’s more, as impressive as the old hallway fight was, it all took place in a relatively confined space, whereas the jail scene runs throughout a labyrinth of hallways and rooms and ultimately leaves the building entirely, bringing Matt into a cab outside. It’s as exhilarating as it is seamless.

...The higher-ups in the bureaucracy were initially skittish. Marvel Television’s vice-president for original programming, Tom Lieber, remembers hearing about the plan from Lopez and being stopped in his tracks. “I was like, ‘This is 12 pages of script,’” Lieber says. “He’s like, ‘Yeah, I know! Isn’t that crazy?’ I’m like, ‘Yeah, it is!’” Lieber and his peers discussed the idea with trepidation. However, in his recollection, they were won over by the on-the-ground team’s enthusiasm: “Charlie was really excited about it. Our camera [operator] was really excited about it. Alex was beaming about it. We were like, ‘We should just do it. We should just try it. We have to set them up for success with this.’” Lopez and Oleson got the go-ahead


A lot more at the LINK
Posted by ShamelessPel
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 8:49 am to
I don’t get the point of Murdock unleashing Poindexter on Kingpin, while wanting Kingpin dead, only to stop Poindexter from killing Kingpin. I get why he would do one or the other if they were isolated incidents. But to do them both made no sense to me.

That out of the way, the fights with Matt vs Daredevil in the Office and the Church were fricking amazing. I mean seeing a superhero getting realistically lit up with pencils and staplers was just an epic fricking scene. The fights this season were just so well done both from a visual and storyline perspective. Even having Poindexter pin down Ray and Matt and slowly starting to figure out ricochets when they wouldn’t move was awesome.

I kind of blocked the jail out of my head. That’s an impressive feat of cinematography. They just dropped the Albanian storyline dead in its tracks right there.

Foggy telling Matt “you don’t get to just show up and say that” in the bar when they first meet again was awesome.

Karen better end up with either Frank or Matt. She’s a badass for a normie in this universe. She was the only person to truly outsmart Kingpin this season, even if she was going to be beaten to death to make it happen.

The dialogue between Maggie and Matt in the first 3 episodes was very very good. I liked the reveal. I liked how they had Matt react to it. It took Lanton getting killed to even kind of let her in.

Really, those 3 characters standing up to Matt this season was really well done and refreshing. He always has treated them with kiddy gloves and it’s insulting and diminishing to them. It’s been frustrating in season’s past to watch them eat his shite and support him. Are they in over their head? Yeah. But they should have the choice to do the right thing and stand up for themselves and others. An excellent and honest journalist and lawyer are supposed to be key ingredients into what makes this country great.

Like I’ve said, all in all, probably my favorite Netflix MCU show from front to back. Really enjoyed it and finished it quicker than I did any other Netflix MCU show.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 9:02 am to
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seems like he'd make a good foe for Frank Castle rather than coming back for round 2 in DD.


In the comics, Frank Castle is horribly outmatched and outclassed when he faces Bullseye. It usually takes the intervention of either Daredevil or Spider-Man to keep Punisher from being worm food.
Posted by Dam Guide
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 9:07 am to
This season really shows why when they pick a good villain and get a good actor in that role, it makes the season so much better. Purple man in JJ was amazing and S1 was so much better than 2.

The Karen episode was the only lull point in an amazing season.
Posted by Rossberg02
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 11:37 am to
I skipped through the Karen episode to the last 15 mins.

I love what they’re doing with Bullseye and it’s going to be so fricking bad arse if they have him and Jigsaw going after DD and Punisher.

Karen and Foggy have totally grown since S1. They’re perfectly playing the roles that is required.

Kind of pissed DD didn’t kill/let a villain die.

I really hope they don’t go back to Electra next season, or KP for that fact.

Anyone think for a split second that Dex was spying on Typhoid? That first scene of him taking pictures of here was difficult to see her face. All I could tell for sure was it was long red hair. That insanity would be so fun to watch.
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 12:11 pm to
They changed the Karen killing moment to the priest dying. I would think they would have Bullseye eventually kill Elektra as that is a really iconic issue but who knows.
Posted by GeauxAggie972
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 12:31 pm to
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I would think they would have Bullseye eventually kill Elektra as that is a really iconic issue but who knows.


I think they'd change Elektra to Karen as well. Although you'd have to think if Matt survived the collapse, so would Elektra
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 12:33 pm to
Yeah I definitely think Elektra is still alive.
Posted by ShamelessPel
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 5:45 pm to
quote:

A serial killer with Bullseye's killing ability, seems like he'd make a good foe for Frank Castle rather than coming back for round 2 in DD.


Wouldn’t Ultimate Bullseye be a really terrible matchup for Punisher? I’m just trying to figure out how it would work both realistically and theatrically. Punisher getting into a shoot out with Bullseye seems like a losing proposition. We’ve already seen what he can do. They couldn’t dumb him down.
Posted by Rossberg02
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 9:36 am to
Our boy Punisher would use his knife. They made such a big deal about it in the first season.
Posted by bullyintigertown
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 12:14 pm to
I skipped the Defenders season. Do I need to watch it before watching season 3?
Posted by tirebiter
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 12:15 pm to
quote:

I loved how they showed the transformation of Fisk into Kingpin. Gradually over several episodes he went from being a prisoner of the FBI, to the FBI guarding him, to the FBI being his henchmen taking out his rivals. Team DD kept coming up with plans to take him out and at every turn he was 3 steps ahead, he was a great villain.

I don't know if Season 4 is too soon for more Kingpin as the big bad, but Alice Eve was great as Typhoid Mary in IF S2 and her original story line from the comics is Kingpin used her to target Matt Murdoch. I'd kind of like to see that but I think more Wilson Fisk this soon might be a bit repetitive.


Huge DD fan as a kid. S3, even with all the good attributes, was my least favorite, largely due to the chronic Fisk storyline, fixation with Vanessa, etc which got too repetitive. My favorite parts of the season were Father Langtom/Sister Maggie/Murdock/Page interactions and the ep focused on Karen Page's back story. For me S3 was just average compared to 1 & 2. All in for some Punisher vs Bullseye, but that is going to take a lot more character development from Bullseye to carry 13 eps. Also thought Alice Eve was top notch in IF2, they need to bring her back in some form.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 3:44 pm to
So what were they doing to Bullseye at the end? I assume they are doing somethign that will make him superhuman.
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 3:53 pm to
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I skipped the Defenders season. Do I need to watch it before watching season 3?


This thread is for you Can I Get A Defenders Crash Course Before Daredevil?

I posted enough basic info to get you up to speed for watching the last episode and someone else posted a complete summary with all the important bits if you'd rather just read.
This post was edited on 10/24/18 at 3:54 pm
Posted by GeauxAggie972
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 8:46 pm to
quote:

So what were they doing to Bullseye at the end? I assume they are doing somethign that will make him superhuman.


That was Dr. Oyama aka Lord Dark Wind, who was the inventor of the adamantium bonding, which comprises Wolverine's bones and claws. He brings Bullseye to Japana to give him the surgery that makes him more athletic and can take a punch better in exchange for becoming his lead assassin
Posted by bullyintigertown
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Posted on 10/25/18 at 7:05 am to
Thank you
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 6:33 am to
Anyone else notice the X-MEN easter egg at the end with Dr. Oyama (Deathstrike's father) performing the surgery on Bullseye's spine?

Legally they weren't allowed to say the metal was adamantium...but we all know better.
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