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re: Christopher Nolan - Interstellar

Posted on 1/5/22 at 9:44 pm to
Posted by AMS
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Posted on 1/5/22 at 9:44 pm to
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This doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. The plan was to be there for seven years even though it would feel like a half an hour to the crew. Mann’s planet was 3 months away while Brandt’s boyfriend was a year away. If both of those fa
il, you can still arrive back at the water planet in time before the crew planned on returning in the movie. This is something that just doesn’t add up. The logical path was Mann’s (Mann being a coward chose this planet intentionally thinking they’d go to his first if he failed), then Brandt’s, and then the water planet as a last resort. Instead of that taking an estimated 10 years, they just blew it.



meh they had promising data that the closest planet could be suitable. They wanted the best shot at securing success of either plan A or B first, pretty simple.

the movie explicitly stated it would take more time/resources making the trip progression you suggest more arduous. it also gave romilly time to research, transmit data, and maybe have info on what the next best planet is.

also edmund's signal stopped transmitting a while ago so probably not a good sign for his planet and the love conflict with brand makes it a more skeptical argument to make. it would really make no sense to go to the furthest planet with the worst outlook before the water planet if you want to ensure plan A/B succeed. that really throws your logic for the planet order with millers being last resort.


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They correctly calculated how much Gargantua would warp time, so I don’t think they made this error.


they explicitly stated that the planet was closer to gargantua than they thought. they calculated 1 hour would take 7 years, turns out they spent 23 years. they didnt even intend to stay 7 years time there, just a scope it out and run type plan. maybe their calculation of time dilation was correct or incorrect. but there was 16 extra years so something was not calculated correctly or there was extra time taken to repair the ship damage and escape the planet that was not accounted for.

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Here’s the problem with Cooper sending the NASA coordinates to himself: he wouldn’t have been in the situation he was in if he was left to his own devices. You can narrowly push your past self in a direction you were going in already, but nothing to that extreme. Cooper would have gone regardless of the STAY or finding the constant in Gargantua, but it’s impossible for him to tell himself to go somewhere he wouldn’t have gone. The only path I can see is another Cooper from another reality gets into the Tesseract and then gives Cooper the coordinates which our Cooper then repeats himself years later. Interstellar follows LOST time travel logic on whatever happened happened. Like in LOST Faraday is able to influence his mother on events that would happen to him, but not directly himself.



i understand that paradox. but you completely ignored an explanation because its not LOST time logic which you arbitrarily assigned to interstellar. in lost they actually time travel in a linear fashion. In interstellar the tesseract is a dimension OUTSIDE of space-time. interstellar is always happening in the present, except in the tessaract or memory flashbacks. coop is using gravity/love which goes beyond space-time. interstellar cannot follow LOST's time travel logic because there simply is no time travel. im not sure the bootstrap paradox still applies when there is no time travel, just interactions with higher dimensions.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 1/5/22 at 9:58 pm to
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meh they had promising data that the closest planet could be suitable. They wanted the best shot at securing success of either plan A or B first, pretty simple.


My point is Mann deliberately chose his planet for a reason: Thought it was in the Goldilocks zone, the crew would try to avoid Gargantua, and it was the logical first stop they would make even if the planet was uninhabitable. Burning 7 years near Gargantua was a huge step back to a mission, and I think Mann knowingly sent Michaels to her doom on that world.

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the movie explicitly stated it would take more time/resources making the trip progression you suggest more arduous. it also gave romilly time to research, transmit data, and maybe have info on what the next best planet is.


No, you’re not getting it: going to the planet alone best case scenario would take 7 years. Might take slightly more fuel to do the other two, but in that time they could have been to the other two planets twice over in the same period of time. Yes it feels like 30 minutes, but it’s not. Plus being that close to Gargantua would just common sense wise be bad for humanity.

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also edmund's signal stopped transmitting a while ago so probably not a good sign for his planet and the love conflict with brand makes it a more skeptical argument to make.


A) Which is why he’s second.

B) Michaels had been there for 20 minutes from her time perspective. Edmunds had been there for years. If anything that’s an incentive to go to Edmunds’ planet before Michaels’.

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they explicitly stated that the planet was closer to gargantua than they thought. they calculated 1 hour would take 7 years, turns out they spent 23 years. they didnt even intend to stay 7 years time there, just a scope it out and run type plan. maybe their calculation of time dilation was correct or incorrect. but there was 16 extra years so something was not calculated correctly or there was extra time taken to repair the ship damage and escape the planet that was not accounted for.


No, the calculation was correct. The problem was the mission took three times longer than anticipated due to Brand’s stupidity and arrogance. They knew what happened as soon as the wave hit them.

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In interstellar the tesseract is a dimension OUTSIDE of space-time.


Yes, but one timeline of Cooper had to make it there first. It was certainly not this timeline’s Cooper, which is why it doesn’t make sense. At best I can assume one timeline of Cooper NASA came to him and then he left the cookie crumbs to the movie’s Cooper to NASA. It did not occur though at the climax as is implied by the movie.
Posted by UltimaParadox
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Posted on 1/5/22 at 10:04 pm to
One of my favorite movies of all time.

Wish it was rereleased on IMAX so I can watch the docking scene again
Posted by theantiquetiger
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Posted on 1/5/22 at 10:35 pm to
My one question about the movie, how long was he gone (in his time frame)?
I think they said the trip to Saturn was 3 or 4 months (which seems awfully short), and then his time to the two planets and the Teseract.

I’m guessing 5 months or shorter.
Posted by 3nOut
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Posted on 1/5/22 at 10:53 pm to
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I was so lost in that movie. I still don’t understand that movie, and I don’t think it’s because I’m stupid, I just think Nolan went too far up his own arse in that.


In some ways, I appreciate him not feeling like he has to treat his audience like they’re too stupid to figure out a complex plot. Here’s a little explanation and then y’all figure it out.

In other ways, Tenet was the movie where he had gotten to smelling his own farts a bit too much.

I like Tenet. Don’t get me wrong. In a year of pandemic suckiness, it was nice to have something fresh, but definitely his worst one.

Still have never had any problems with his dialogue.
Posted by AMS
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Posted on 1/6/22 at 3:34 am to
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and it was the logical first stop they would make even if the planet was uninhabitable.




why TF would they go to an uninhabitable planet on their search specifically for habitable planets?
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No, you’re not getting it: going to the planet alone best case scenario would take 7 years

I get it, I get that for plan B those 7 years are not a problem at all and ensuring 1 plan succeeds is the mission. best case scenario is the closest easiest planet to get to works out.

they still definitely explicitly stated Gargantua was closer than they expected. and i had posted that things went wrong down there and it took longer than they planned on the planet.
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Yes, but one timeline of Cooper had to make it there first. It was certainly not this timeline’s Cooper, which is why it doesn’t make sense. At best I can assume one timeline of Cooper NASA came to him and then he left the cookie crumbs to the movie’s Cooper to NASA. It did not occur though at the climax as is implied by the movie.

and you are stuck thinking of linear time travel logic like LOST. im pretty sure there was exposition about this from TARS. in the tesseract dimension he's accessing points in space-time much like one accesses points in space by walking climbing, crawling, etc.
that dimension allowed coop to essentially 'be' gravity at specific points of space-time. its more like he was traveling thru gravity as it transcends space-time.

there is no time paradox because that dimension transcended space-time. this point is like a 2D person and a 3D person arguing which dimension is most important of length, width or depth. honestly they are all the same thing, just depends on perspective. now add a 4th dimension of person joining in telling the others how rad linear time is. interstellar tesseract is a dimension above that which probably perceives space-time like something we view as length, just another axis to measure in.
Posted by lagallifrey
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Posted on 1/6/22 at 6:39 am to
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In some ways, I appreciate him not feeling like he has to treat his audience like they’re too stupid to figure out a complex plot. Here’s a little explanation and then y’all figure it out. In other ways, Tenet was the movie where he had gotten to smelling his own farts a bit too much. I like Tenet. Don’t get me wrong. In a year of pandemic suckiness, it was nice to have something fresh, but definitely his worst one. Still have never had any problems with his dialogue.


I don’t understand the supposed problems with his dialogue either. I’ve never had an issue understanding it.

As for Tenet, I consider it one of his best.
Posted by MidnightVibe
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Posted on 1/6/22 at 9:07 am to
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It's my favorite movie ever. It hits every point I enjoy in a movie. Science, Space, Mathematics, Score, Love Story, etc.

I don't care what the movie nerds on this board think eith


I think it's in my top 5. Definitely top 10.

And I, too, do not care what the movie nerds think of me for having this opinion.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 1/6/22 at 10:00 am to
I love it as well. This usually gets a ton of hate on here.

It was a pretty good IMAX experience too. I have friends that nit pick it and after rewatching it a few time, none of the minor complaints ever bothered me. But I love Nolan, so that helps my opinion as well.
Posted by Damone
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Posted on 1/6/22 at 10:21 am to
Zimmer is an artistic genius
Posted by AlxTgr
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Posted on 1/6/22 at 10:26 am to
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It hits every point I enjoy in a movie. Science, Space, Mathematics, Score, Love Story, etc.

Same, and yet I just about hated it.

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I don't care what the movie nerds on this board think either.

They loved it.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 1/6/22 at 10:34 am to
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and you are stuck thinking of linear time travel logic like LOST. im pretty sure there was exposition about this from TARS. in the tesseract dimension he's accessing points in space-time much like one accesses points in space by walking climbing, crawling, etc.
that dimension allowed coop to essentially 'be' gravity at specific points of space-time. its more like he was traveling thru gravity as it transcends space-time.

there is no time paradox because that dimension transcended space-time. this point is like a 2D person and a 3D person arguing which dimension is most important of length, width or depth. honestly they are all the same thing, just depends on perspective. now add a 4th dimension of person joining in telling the others how rad linear time is. interstellar tesseract is a dimension above that which probably perceives space-time like something we view as length, just another axis to measure in.


Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 1/6/22 at 10:41 am to
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I’ve seen it several times, but last week, I talked my daughter into watching it. She loved it. We turned on the subtitles this time (never done it), I got a whole new view of the movie.



Can you give me a scene or moment in the movie that was illuminated because of this? I rewatched again last night with no issues, but maybe I'm missing something and don't realize it. I am old......
Posted by Sgt_Lincoln_Osiris
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Posted on 1/6/22 at 11:04 am to
Cool. That's one of the simplest time-line graphs I've seen for Nolan movies and it covers the main lynchpin in the entire plot which is "humanity always survived the blight to become 5th dimensional enough to make the initial wormhole."

My question now is "Why?". If humans always survived and evolved into 5th dimensional beings to create the wormhole, why would they care what happened to their caveman non-relatives that died? Saving all of humanity could actually cause them to cease to exist or not evolve to this point.

Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 1/6/22 at 11:27 am to
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ish it was rereleased on IMAX so I can watch the docking scene again

While the docking scene was great, the music/noise in it was far too overbearing for me in IMAX. It was so loud in our theater that it was legitimately unpleasant and painful to the ears. It was such a weird feeling to be so into a movie only to have that concentration disrupted by music and noise and a score so loud that it was completely distracting and removed you from the scene.

As much as I like Interstellar, watching it IMAX was nowhere near as good as it should've been for me.

And I find it hard to believe that there are people that have never had any sound issues with Nolan films. Whether it be score, dialogue, background noise, overbearing music, etc., there is always at least ONE noise issue present in most of his films. I'm not even saying I don't believe you, just that it's difficult to believe.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 1/6/22 at 11:33 am to
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why TF would they go to an uninhabitable planet on their search specifically for habitable planets?

Yeah, that makes no sense at all.
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and you are stuck thinking of linear time travel logic like LOST. im pretty sure there was exposition about this from TARS. in the tesseract dimension he's accessing points in space-time much like one accesses points in space by walking climbing, crawling, etc.
that dimension allowed coop to essentially 'be' gravity at specific points of space-time. its more like he was traveling thru gravity as it transcends space-time.

there is no time paradox because that dimension transcended space-time. this point is like a 2D person and a 3D person arguing which dimension is most important of length, width or depth. honestly they are all the same thing, just depends on perspective. now add a 4th dimension of person joining in telling the others how rad linear time is. interstellar tesseract is a dimension above that which probably perceives space-time like something we view as length, just another axis to measure in.


This is correct (at least in my understanding). Once inside the tesseract, Cooper could "access time" at any point. Hence, there is no "time," at least in terms of how we view it. Time exists simultaneously always. There is no "past, present, and future." It's basically just all "present" to put it in our terms of viewing time. That's how he could go to the bookshelf and manipulate the dust into coordinates, the code to solve gravity, etc.

I do agree it creates a paradox in terms of "What sent Coop to NASA to begin with," but the way the movie explains it is that "we" do (humans who eventually elevated into fifth dimensional beings). Why Coop was chosen, we don't know, but I guess maybe it's because of who he was and who is daughter was (and how smart she was, or something simple like that). But that's one of those things that we'll never have an answer for, and weirdly, I don't feel like I need one.



ETA: As for my thoughts on the movie, I've always looked at it from an "I can appreciate what Nolan was trying to do, and appreciate his efforts to do it, but the tesseract part just loses me a bit" angle. I understand it just fine (I think), but it just felt like he tried a little too hard or went a little too far theoretically, and it ended up sort of being a jumbled mess at the end. Like with Coop being spat into space randomly, but being happened upon and found. Or him going off alone to try to find Brand. Just things that don't make much sense, even within the movie's own framework (which was very well crafted), if that makes sense. Basically, while I like his ambitiousness, it was a little too ambitious.
This post was edited on 12/10/24 at 12:26 pm
Posted by alpinetiger
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Posted on 1/6/22 at 12:14 pm to
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One of my favorite movies. Never had an issue hearing any of the dialogue.

Subtle surround sound, and AV war-chest brag. My last TV, etc.. purchase was probably 2013. I'm not much of an audiophile. In fact I probably watch most media from a Macbook Pro and a 30" Acer monitor in my home office. Alpine, thy name is fastidious and miserly.

Personally I enjoy going back and watching movies repetitively. There are some details like Noland where it usually involves a science component, in a couple of his films at least. Others are like the Coen brothers where there are just small elements that you miss in their movies. I saw the Big Lebowski in the theatre during its release and liked it (I liked Raising Arizona more), but over the years I find I've enjoyed it more and more. I practically know all the lines and it still makes me laugh. With Interstellar, there's still quite a bit I'm missing. These first world problems suck. Having to watch these movies multiple times and then discussing them.
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 1/6/22 at 12:23 pm to
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In other ways, Tenet was the movie where he had gotten to smelling his own farts a bit too much.


I get what you mean, but IDC what anyone says referring to the protagonist as the protagonist is baller AF.

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Still have never had any problems with his dialogue.


the only issue with dialogue was very minor with the catamaran scene, and that was hardly an issue. I understood the jist of the convo by their expressions actions and context. which I think is a better move than having exposition dialogue in the choas of the scene
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 1/6/22 at 12:57 pm to
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This is correct (at least in my understanding). Once inside the tesseract, Cooper could "access time" at any point. Hence, there is no "time," at least in terms of how we view it. Time exists simultaneously always. There is no "past, present, and future." It's basically just all "present" to put it in our terms of viewing time. That's how he could go to the bookshelf and manipulate the dust into coordinates, the code to solve gravity, etc.


But there is a present Cooper that we follow along the film. The present Cooper has to make it there somehow without his future self directly interfering.

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ETA: As for my thoughts on the movie, I've always looked at it from an "I can appreciate what Nolan was trying to do, and appreciate his efforts to do it, but the tesseract part just loses me a bit" angle. I understand it just fine (I think), but it just felt like he tried a little too hard or went a little too far theoretically, and it ended up sort of being a jumbled mess at the end. Like with Murph being spat into space randomly, but being happened upon and found. Or him going off alone to try to find Brand. Just things that don't make much sense, even within the movie's own framework (which was very well crafted), if that makes sense. Basically, while I like his ambitiousness, it was a little too ambitious.


It’s why it has a criminally low T-Meter is that they compared it only to one film and the film Nolan was trying to live up to and in some ways exceed: 2001. I don’t think a lot of critics judged it on its own terms.
Posted by sBrodie
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 1/6/22 at 1:06 pm to
I agree its a great movie.
The most unbelievable part for me, however, was not the 5th dimensional beings or the tesseract, but the seemingly limitless fuel and ease of planet hopping.
Today, it takes us three days to reach the moon and 2 years to reach Mars. These cats are going to Saturn like a trip the store then, going to over planets that I'm not sure is even orbiting the same star. This would take hundreds to thousands of years in reality depending on distance. If the three different Goldilock planets are of different solar systems (stars), if would take near light speed travel to reach them in a single lifetime.
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