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re: **Black Panther: Wakanda Forever Topic/Spoiler Topic**
Posted on 11/13/22 at 2:37 am to Napoleon
Posted on 11/13/22 at 2:37 am to Napoleon
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I'm rich as frick. Have a prince of the most powerful nation as a son ... I think I'll live in Haiti.
What better of a place to lay low if you really think about it. The entire world wants access to vibranium and the chances of them kidnapping the son and holding him for ransom is high.
I felt the movie was good, not great. Definitely B/B+ range. Namore was bad arse. Like another poster mentioned, I like how we don’t know if Namore is a good guy or bad guy moving forward.
Definitely got the undertone of blacks people and Latino people need to become Allies instead of being enemies.
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Posted on 11/13/22 at 5:42 am to Napoleon
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I'm rich as frick. Have a prince of the most powerful nation as a son ... I think I'll live in Haiti.
Reminds me of this great line from Ruthless People that Bill Pullman said
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Carol: You get that tape of Sam Stone finishing off his wife, and that man will give us anything we want for the rest of his life!
Earl Mott: Yeah! Then we're off to Haiti.
Carol: Not Haiti, Tahiti!
Earl Mott: Oh... I knew that.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 6:33 am to lsutigersFTW
Wakanda Forever should have been subtitled “Wakanda Forever: (Illegal) Aliens vs. (Super) Predators” because that seemed to be the overlying commentary of the picture. That and the fact that a hundred pound woman is the ultimate warrior surrounded by an army of warrior women from the most powerful culture in the planet. The only other culture who could rival their power is the Latin culture who thrives in a hidden underwater world.
Oh, and the new IronMan is shockingly a black young woman who is a gifted MIT student, who basically knocks out an IronMan suit in a weekend in Wakanda after putting her campus gig of selling homework to her white classmates on hold to help restore balance to these two hidden superpowers.
Of course these two cultures form the most powerful alliance on the planet by controlling the most valuable and highly sought after resource away from the greedy and evil western civilized man who came to capture this resource akin to the greedy white military attack on Avatar’s Pandora. There was not a single minority soldier or military leader portrayed against the alliance, by the way.
If people actually conform to the images that the controlling media portray for them and their cultures, I honestly believe that the black man will be even less of an influence on black culture and ultimately the world, if that is even possible considering the power the media currently has in controlling and silencing the black man today.
Hey, but the soundtrack was solid and the special effects were pretty decent.
Oh, and the new IronMan is shockingly a black young woman who is a gifted MIT student, who basically knocks out an IronMan suit in a weekend in Wakanda after putting her campus gig of selling homework to her white classmates on hold to help restore balance to these two hidden superpowers.
Of course these two cultures form the most powerful alliance on the planet by controlling the most valuable and highly sought after resource away from the greedy and evil western civilized man who came to capture this resource akin to the greedy white military attack on Avatar’s Pandora. There was not a single minority soldier or military leader portrayed against the alliance, by the way.
If people actually conform to the images that the controlling media portray for them and their cultures, I honestly believe that the black man will be even less of an influence on black culture and ultimately the world, if that is even possible considering the power the media currently has in controlling and silencing the black man today.
Hey, but the soundtrack was solid and the special effects were pretty decent.
This post was edited on 11/13/22 at 6:38 am
Posted on 11/13/22 at 8:00 am to schatman
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No Dr Doom?
Unfortunately. It was rumored they filmed an after credit scene with him but they scrapped it. He was supposed to be the reason for the two fighting
Posted on 11/13/22 at 9:48 am to Chaz95
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Wakanda Forever should have been subtitled “Wakanda Forever: (Illegal) Aliens vs. (Super) Predators” because that seemed to be the overlying commentary of the picture. That and the fact that a hundred pound woman is the ultimate warrior surrounded by an army of warrior women from the most powerful culture in the planet. The only other culture who could rival their power is the Latin culture who thrives in a hidden underwater world.
Oh, and the new IronMan is shockingly a black young woman who is a gifted MIT student, who basically knocks out an IronMan suit in a weekend in Wakanda after putting her campus gig of selling homework to her white classmates on hold to help restore balance to these two hidden superpowers.
Of course these two cultures form the most powerful alliance on the planet by controlling the most valuable and highly sought after resource away from the greedy and evil western civilized man who came to capture this resource akin to the greedy white military attack on Avatar’s Pandora. There was not a single minority soldier or military leader portrayed against the alliance, by the way.
If people actually conform to the images that the controlling media portray for them and their cultures, I honestly believe that the black man will be even less of an influence on black culture and ultimately the world, if that is even possible considering the power the media currently has in controlling and silencing the black man today.
Hey, but the soundtrack was solid and the special effects were pretty decent.
I wasn't a fan of the first Black Panther movie because I honestly don't find the character very interesting. It was an ok film, but when the media portrayed it as 21st century Citizen Kane, things got ridiculous.
If you went into BP2 not expecting there to be a strong pro-black message behind it, I don't know what to tell you. Michael B. Jordan, one the biggest racists in Hollywood, has been in every one of Ryan Coogler's films. As you mentioned, the only "good" white character in the film is Everett Ross. The rest of the white characters, from the evil lady scientist and her team, down to the mercenaries who try to steal the vibranium, are all bad. Even Riri's white classmates at MIT are implied to be either lazy or dumb.
I found Namor and his people to be much more interesting than the Wakandans, although Okoye and M'Baku were both fantastic. Being that Namor could control the ocean, it would stand to reason that he could wipe out Wakanda rather easily if he really wanted to.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:38 am to lsutigersFTW
Just saw the movie last night. Now I will need to do a rewatch because my wife had us 10-15 minutes late maybe. Then I had to leave the theater to refill on popcorn, then 2 bathroom breaks.
But from what I seen this was a pretty entertaining movie. From start to finish it was meant to be a tribute to Chadwick. It did not have as many quips as your typical MCU movie.
Namor was badass. He was fun to watch on screen. I can buy the claims that he could take on Hulk as long as he's hydrated. He was singlehandedly decimating Wakanda. They wouldnt have had a chance to defeat him if they didn't figure out his weakness. He still nearly killed Shuri even though he was severely weakened. Speaking of how did she not die from being impaled? I am glad Namor wasn't killed off. He will 110% be back.
Mbaku was probably my favorite part of the movie. This was a good story as it focused on the little sister trying to fill the gigantic shoes left by her big brother while she's grieving at the same time. That makes for a good story. However, I'm still not convinced she can carry the franchise going forward, being apart of the multiverse, Avengers, F4 storylines, etc. Hopefully Mbaku showing up at challenge day implies he will don the suit as well going forward.
Lupita is fine AF. I would love to have a baby Tchalla with her.
This was a pure stand-alone movie. Besides Valentina, it made no attempts to connect with the MCU, or move the overall story forward. I suspect that is due to Chadwicks passing, and that this wouldn't have been the case if he was still here.
But from what I seen this was a pretty entertaining movie. From start to finish it was meant to be a tribute to Chadwick. It did not have as many quips as your typical MCU movie.
Namor was badass. He was fun to watch on screen. I can buy the claims that he could take on Hulk as long as he's hydrated. He was singlehandedly decimating Wakanda. They wouldnt have had a chance to defeat him if they didn't figure out his weakness. He still nearly killed Shuri even though he was severely weakened. Speaking of how did she not die from being impaled? I am glad Namor wasn't killed off. He will 110% be back.
Mbaku was probably my favorite part of the movie. This was a good story as it focused on the little sister trying to fill the gigantic shoes left by her big brother while she's grieving at the same time. That makes for a good story. However, I'm still not convinced she can carry the franchise going forward, being apart of the multiverse, Avengers, F4 storylines, etc. Hopefully Mbaku showing up at challenge day implies he will don the suit as well going forward.
Lupita is fine AF. I would love to have a baby Tchalla with her.
This was a pure stand-alone movie. Besides Valentina, it made no attempts to connect with the MCU, or move the overall story forward. I suspect that is due to Chadwicks passing, and that this wouldn't have been the case if he was still here.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 2:17 pm to QJenk
Easily the best Marvel movie since Spiderman NWH. Probably just as good as NWH.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 2:38 pm to lsutigersFTW
* nvm - it’s Boston, not Chicago.
Riri is from Chicago, right?
Whatever
Riri is from Chicago, right?
Whatever
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 11/14/22 at 2:42 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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How do whales (which live in the ocean) end up in Chicago waterways?
I did see this Saturday night, while somewhat streaming the Bama-OM game, but did I miss the part where they took a detour to Chicago?
I recall them going to MIT to pick up Riri, but last I checked MIT isn't in Chicago.
I enjoyed it, but do feel it dragged at times. I also felt Shuri's internal conflict was a little forced. I agree with others I don't see Shuri leading this to a third/fourth movie and my guess is that Secret Wars will help some of the recast issues that Marvel is going to have to deal with.
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 11/14/22 at 3:08 pm to Chaz95
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Wakanda Forever should have been subtitled “Wakanda Forever: (Illegal) Aliens vs. (Super) Predators” because that seemed to be the overlying commentary of the picture. That and the fact that a hundred pound woman is the ultimate warrior surrounded by an army of warrior women from the most powerful culture in the planet. The only other culture who could rival their power is the Latin culture who thrives in a hidden underwater world.
Oh, and the new IronMan is shockingly a black young woman who is a gifted MIT student, who basically knocks out an IronMan suit in a weekend in Wakanda after putting her campus gig of selling homework to her white classmates on hold to help restore balance to these two hidden superpowers.
Of course these two cultures form the most powerful alliance on the planet by controlling the most valuable and highly sought after resource away from the greedy and evil western civilized man who came to capture this resource akin to the greedy white military attack on Avatar’s Pandora. There was not a single minority soldier or military leader portrayed against the alliance, by the way.
If people actually conform to the images that the controlling media portray for them and their cultures, I honestly believe that the black man will be even less of an influence on black culture and ultimately the world, if that is even possible considering the power the media currently has in controlling and silencing the black man today.
Hey, but the soundtrack was solid and the special effects were pretty decent.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 9:21 pm to Napoleon
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I'm rich as frick. Have a prince of the most powerful nation as a son ... I think I'll live in Haiti.
You have to remember Nakia's character. In the first movie she was working to liberate enslaved women in Africa. Her entire thing was she felt Wakanda wasn't doing enough to help the rest of the world. She doesn't care to live the rich privileged life in Wakanda. She wants to go out and help the less fortunate.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 12:19 am to Chaz95
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Wakanda Forever should have been subtitled “Wakanda Forever: (Illegal) Aliens vs. (Super) Predators” because that seemed to be the overlying commentary of the picture. That and the fact that a hundred pound woman is the ultimate warrior surrounded by an army of warrior women from the most powerful culture in the planet.
Well she did recreate the heart-shaped liquid from the plants that kilmonger destroyed in the first BP. You know. The liquid that gives the Black Panther its powers.
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The only other culture who could rival their power is the Latin culture who thrives in a hidden underwater world.
Marvel knew that Aquaman is a more well known character than Namor and as a result, had to alter his storyline to differentiate Namor from Aquaman.
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Oh, and the new IronMan is shockingly a black young woman who is a gifted MIT student, who basically knocks out an IronMan suit in a weekend in Wakanda after putting her campus gig of selling homework to her white classmates on hold to help restore balance to these two hidden superpowers.
Well that character is Ironheart who is an actual character in the Marvel comics. A character that is a Tony Stark like Super genius and sees T8ny Stark as a remodel. Her character sucked in the movie but there is a Ironheart Disney+ series coming next year.
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Of course these two cultures form the most powerful alliance on the planet by controlling the most valuable and highly sought after resource away from the greedy and evil western civilized man who came to capture this resource akin to the greedy white military attack on Avatar’s Pandora
Namor has always been an antihero in the comics. He is not a true hero or villain. He will always side with what either benefits him or his people
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There was not a single minority soldier or military leader portrayed against the alliance, by the way.
Oh, I get it now. You weren't even trying to just suspend the reality and enjoy watching a superhero movie. Man some of yall let politics and race consume yall.
It was a good B/B+ movie. It was better than Thor L & T and Dr Strange, but not better than Spiderman No Way Home. I really enjoyed it.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 10:30 am to 504Voodoo
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Marvel knew that Aquaman is a more well known character than Namor and as a result, had to alter his storyline to differentiate Namor from Aquaman.
No, they didn't. DC has The Flash, Marvel had TWO versions of Quicksilver. DC has Green Arrow on TV, Marvel has Hawkeye on film and TV.
In fact they didn't "alter" a damn thing. Other than using 'Namor', pointy ears, winged feet and green trunks, EVERYTHING about this character was different from his comics base. Origin (both his own and his people), location, appearance, parentage, age, even the basis of the name 'Namor'.
As far as I'm concerned, they way they completely shite on the comics version, they should have just made Huerta a new character called "Kukulcan".
Posted on 11/15/22 at 7:05 pm to BRich
I just got out and really enjoyed it. Didn’t notice the length all that much, though it definitely could have been a tad shorter. Thought the dude playing Namor did a great job between being comforting and intimidating.
I didn’t have any real issues with how they introduced Shuri as Black Panther, and while I thought the actress did a good job as well, it’s still a stretch for me envisioning her as being capable of kicking someone’s arse. That’s sort of disappointing as this movie is filled with women that look like they can kick your arse.
Oh and speaking of arse, the girl that plays Nakia has a nice one.
I didn’t have any real issues with how they introduced Shuri as Black Panther, and while I thought the actress did a good job as well, it’s still a stretch for me envisioning her as being capable of kicking someone’s arse. That’s sort of disappointing as this movie is filled with women that look like they can kick your arse.
Oh and speaking of arse, the girl that plays Nakia has a nice one.
This post was edited on 11/15/22 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:34 am to CP3forMVP
Posted on 11/17/22 at 1:03 pm to lsutigersFTW
WF was a solid entry, I actually like it better than the original which shocked me without T’Challa. The somber tone throughout and way they handled his passing was touching. The opening was heartbreaking all over again. The characters’ motivations and emotions, Shuri especially, made perfect sense so she was more believable as Black Panther than I anticipated. Still would like someone else to take the mantle permanently, though it won’t be long until T’Challa’s son takes over.
Tenoch Huerta as Namor commanded attention anytime he was on screen. The way he moves was unique and I really liked his fighting style. Huerta did a masterful job being both charismatic and intimidating, like the anti-hero the character tends to be. Talokan is beautiful as well. There’s a lot they can do now with Namor, so I could absolutely see his own movie one day.
Lots of great acting performances honestly. I’m pleased with what we got here following an impossible situation for them with Boseman’s passing right as we was set to become a pillar of the MCU. I’d have this one only behind NWH as the best entry from Phase 4.
Tenoch Huerta as Namor commanded attention anytime he was on screen. The way he moves was unique and I really liked his fighting style. Huerta did a masterful job being both charismatic and intimidating, like the anti-hero the character tends to be. Talokan is beautiful as well. There’s a lot they can do now with Namor, so I could absolutely see his own movie one day.
Lots of great acting performances honestly. I’m pleased with what we got here following an impossible situation for them with Boseman’s passing right as we was set to become a pillar of the MCU. I’d have this one only behind NWH as the best entry from Phase 4.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 1:06 pm to 504Voodoo
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Well that character is Ironheart who is an actual character in the Marvel comics. A character that is a Tony Stark like Super genius and sees T8ny Stark as a remodel. Her character sucked in the movie but there is a Ironheart Disney+ series coming next year.
She is a new character in the comics too. There is not a long history of her.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 1:29 pm to QJenk
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Namor was badass. He was fun to watch on screen. I can buy the claims that he could take on Hulk as long as he's hydrated
In the older comics Namor could beat the Hulk underwater.
Due to power creep this eventually stopped being the case, but those original stories had Namor winning a fight or two against the Hulk when in water.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 1:43 pm to Mystery
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Well that character is Ironheart who is an actual character in the Marvel comics. A character that is a Tony Stark like Super genius and sees T8ny Stark as a remodel. Her character sucked in the movie but there is a Ironheart Disney+ series coming next year.
She is a new character in the comics too. There is not a long history of her.
My issue with the concept of a "child genius" as shown in movies and TV shows - regardless of gender, race, sexuality, whatever - is that it tends to completely disregard the accumulated KNOWLEDGE of the older people around them.
Maybe Reed Richards doesn't have the highest IQ, for example - but he's still been studying and researching things for decades. That's going to trump anyone that's 10 years old; unfortunately writers are limited in ways they can demonstrate intelligence.
It also annoys me when intelligence gets universally applied - there was a comic from the A+X run where Bruce Banner (a radiation specialist) is implied to have created a virus that Tony Stark (an engineer and programmer) and Hank McCoy (a geneticist) cannot handle.
At what point did Bruce Banner stop and think to himself, "I'm gonna pause studying radiation and how it affects biology to learn to code malicious software - that will work on something almost assuredly using a proprietary OS."
Of course these are the same comic writers who thought it would be "cool" to use the Richter Scale to show how strong the Hulk was, not even realizing that scale is logarithmic - so a Hulk-punch that does 123.2 on the Richter Scale would be 10 the 194th power in joules - the mass equivalent of this would be 10 to the 177th power; the observable universe is 10 to the 54th power.
He is claimed to have done this on the Moon; of course considering that the Marvel Universe's Moon, Earth, Solar System, etc are all still there demonstrates that this is nonsensical.
Meh. I'll get off my soapbox
Posted on 11/17/22 at 2:03 pm to skrayper
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At what point did Bruce Banner stop and think to himself, "I'm gonna pause studying radiation and how it affects biology to learn to code malicious software - that will work on something almost assuredly using a proprietary OS." Of course these are the same comic writers who thought it would be "cool" to use the Richter Scale to show how strong the Hulk was, not even realizing that scale is logarithmic - so a Hulk-punch that does 123.2 on the Richter Scale would be 10 the 194th power in joules - the mass equivalent of this would be 10 to the 177th power; the observable universe is 10 to the 54th power. He is claimed to have done this on the Moon; of course considering that the Marvel Universe's Moon, Earth, Solar System, etc are all still there demonstrates that this is nonsensical.
Meh. I'll get off my soapbox
Why? You’re right.
The child genius trope is very stupid. There’s intrinsic genius and then there’s actual practical genius.
Give me a Richard Feynman with a mere 130 IQ but with a lot of tenacity and cleverness built by years of experience over a Doogie Howser with a 200 IQ who has yet to face any real obstacles.
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