re: Better Call Saul S3 E10 Lantern (Season Finale)

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Kim encouraging Jimmy to play to his strengths

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After she said that I think Jimmy realized he had to tear himself down to solve the Irene problem.

Oh,and,Chuck Roast.

"As long as he's connected to Kim, he's not gonna be Saul completely".



RIP Ham

Double Down Ham!

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Ham Solo is wrong about J+K=S and ISZA

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In your opinion.

If I am wrong, then the writers made an error during that scene with Kim and Jimmy watching the movie. If their story line is a boat then they intentionally poked a hole in it just so they would have to fix it later.

When it comes to ISZA they had 3 choices.

1. Don't bring it up again and it's no big deal. The story still works perfectly.

2. Have Jimmy say it's his dad's favorite movie. The story still works perfectly.

They went with option

3. Have Kim say it was her dad's favorite movie. This only works smoothly if Kim is still around for the creation of ISZA. Jimmy is not going to name his criminal loan out after Kim because he misses her. That is retarded.

My point is that the writers for this show rarely make mistakes. Why would they intentionally poke a hole in their story that they will have to create a fix for later. Then throw in all the other little things and it appears something is up.

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Awesome

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If you can take yourself out of fan mode and think like a writer for a moment, everything I said is entirely accurate.

That scene means very little to the average fan, but it is huge to the hardcore fan. ISZA required no explanation whatsoever until they brought it up again in that scene. If this were the Walking Dead or some other show with subpar writers I wouldn't think much of it.

This was intentional by writers that don't make make mistakes with details like this, because they know their fans will catch it. Remember the scene where Walt put his watch on the pay phone? That whole scene was made to make sure there were no continuity errors. There were already later scenes filmed where Walt wasn't wearing his watch.

The point is they would not have Kim say this on accident. The formation of ISZA now requires explanation when it didn't need it before this scene. They made the choice to have Kim say that knowing they will have to explain it later.

The only explanation that warrants more time being spent on it is that Kim has something to do with the formation of ISZA.

I also want to add that I have been at a drinking event tonight with the wife and she is waiting for me to come bang her. If none of this makes sense I will clarify in the morning. I just thought I could talk some sense into the more simple minded folks even though I am shitfaced at the moment.

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I also want to add that I have been at a drinking event tonight with the wife and she is waiting for me to come bang her. 

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Update: Looks like she had a bit too much free wine and is going to have to wait until the morning. The good news is I am here for arguing with you guys all night.

I didn't mean to be so hard on you Tigris, we actually agree. I don't think the writers made an error at all.

The choice to have Kim say that could only be one of two things, an error or entirely intentional. So since you and I agree that it was intentional, what could the reason be? That is the million dollar question.

Could they be setting up some moment where Jimmy/Saul is filling out the paperwork for his loan out and looks over and sees the DVD of ISZ? He sadly misses Kim who is gone and decides that there is nothing more romantic than naming his criminal tax evasion company after his ex girlfriend's dad's favorite movie. Maybe it's just me but this sounds a bit weak considering that would be some seriously shitty writing, especially considering the average fan doesn't even know what ISZ is.

Now let's move on to what I consider the Achilles's heel in my theory. It is entirely possible that Kim and Jimmy set up ISZA before he goes full Saul. She then sees where he is headed and leaves before things get really bad. This idea does deserve some exploring. The only problem I really have with it is that when the writers wrote the scene with Kim and Jimmy watching that movie, they would have already had it planned. I am not the world's leading expert on these guys, but I am willing to bet I know more about BB and BCS than most. They typically do not have things figured out in this detail this far in advance. They do however follow more of a overarching plotline with major details attached to a timeline and fill in the details when the time comes. I just can't see them realizing that her and Jimmy would set up ISZ and then break up before he goes full Saul at the first part of season two, two or more year before it happens. What I can see is they decided long ago that Kim will break bad therefore it was okay to let her have credit for the name of the loan out knowing they could fill the details of how this happens later.

Update 2: Wife is butt naked and snoring.

The issue is if I am wrong it most likely means the writers got sloppy during that one scene. I don't think they did. They have never made a mistake like that with a detail that important. So if you assume it was intentional, then you have to ask why. This is where the facts end and speculation and deduction begins. Trust me I have given this more thought than anyone here and probably anywhere and the only outcome I can come up with in the end is that the writer screwed up, or they meant to do it because Kim = ISZA.

Why are you talking about fricking your drunk wife? Your are an a-hole man that's personal shite that shouldn't be plastered on a message board.

Btw I thought you were on to something about the theory till about mid season. It's not happening man, no way they would retcon Kim in BrBa, it would undermine that shows legacy.

The only thing they might do is have Gene find Kim or search for her in that timeline.

"There's a chance that Saul and Kim are married [on Breaking Bad]… and have two wonderful kids. Dad goes to Albuquerque and is a sleazeball and mom goes to Santa Fe and runs one of the top law offices in the state." – Bob Odenkirk

Ham,

I assure you do not know more about BB or BCS than I do

It'll be interesting to see how Kim dies or ultimately leaves Jimmy.

I think she partners back with Howard or falls for somebody else

That scars Jimmy

I just don't see the writers doing away with Patrick Fabian right now

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I assure you do not know more about BB or BCS than I do 

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Never said I did, only that I know more than most from rewatching several times and looking for hidden details.

Since you consider yourself an expert, why in your opinion did the writers attach ISZ to Kim rather than have Jimmy say it or just not bring it up?

That moment is not a small detail, but nobody that disagrees with the idea of Kim going bad seems to have an explanation or wants to address this at all.