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re: Better Call Saul S3 E10 Lantern (Season Finale)
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:59 am to TGHub
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:59 am to TGHub
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Jimmy names it after something that was important to Kim because she's still important to Jimmy. This isn't a huge leap.
Thanks for trying to answer the question. I mean that, I'm not trying to be a smart arse. This is technically possible, but very unlikely.
Try to picture this scene in your mind. Kim has left Jimmy, he is hurt. It's time to fill out the paperwork for his loan out that is designed to launder illegal money. He decides to name it after something Kim likes and goes with ISZ.
Why ISZ? This wasn't some big event for them, and Jimmy didn't even seem all that into the movie? Why not name it after her middle name? Why not use a reference to Atticus Finch? She made more of a deal about him than ISZ.
What I am trying to say is that that scene I described would be really forced and not be very believable. It would mean that the writers of this show decided two years ago to go this route and make a scene that doesn't work very well. Keep in mind that also that most viewers would not even get this. Before I started bringing up ISZA here nobody had even noticed that little scene.
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You may not like it, but it doesn't mean the writers made an error.
My point in the posts above was that I don't think they made an error. I think choosing to attach ISZ to Kim was 100% intentional.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 10:02 am
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Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:10 am to Ham Solo
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My point in the posts above was that I don't think they made an error. I think choosing to attach ISZ to Kim was 100% intentional.
I agree with you about all of this. Why they they did it is really the only question at this point. You may be right, but if you're not it doesn't mean the writers made an error. There's definitely seems to be clues that allows the writers to go in either direction with Kim, in my opinion.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:24 am to TGHub
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There's definitely seems to be clues that allows the writers to go in either direction with Kim, in my opinion.
Correct.
There was another one in the final episode. That line Kim said was kind of awkward. Her and Jimmy staring at the wall he hand painted. I am paraphrasing, but she tells him it's a good wall and they will make another one.
That is just sort of a strange line to end the season on. In my opinion this was foreshadowing another custom wall we have seen before.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:04 am to Ham Solo
quote:Past behavior is indicative of future performance theory in action as follows:
There's definitely seems to be clues that allows the writers to go in either direction with Kim, in my opinion.
- The creators/writers have shown a desire to kill off every major character in BB except for Saul and Jessie.
- They already killed Chuck.
- Kim will get no reprieve like Pinkman did.
- It's what they do.
ETA - Skylers dead to me so theres that!
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 11:07 am
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:14 am to Crow Pie
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Past behavior is indicative of future performance theory in action as follows
This is correct. These guys made entire series about person that seemed like a really good guy, and they turned him into a murdering drug Lord.
To suggest that a good person like Kim will evolve into a money laundering partner is not that far fetched, even though several here can't fathom that this is possible.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 11:15 am
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:42 pm to Ham Solo
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This is correct. These guys made entire series about person that seemed like a really good guy, and they turned him into a murdering drug Lord.
To suggest that a good person like Kim will evolve into a money laundering partner is not that far fetched, even though several here can't fathom that this is possible
Yeah except it was about a good guy with a loving family who turned a murdering drug Lord with no one left to care about him, in complete isolation.
In case you forgot Walt and his partner in crime almost killed each other and certainly ended the series on terrible terms.
So if you want to draw a parallel between BB and BCS, Saul will almost definitely end up being fairly isolated at the end of BCS.
It's also fair to say that Saul doesn't have a romantic relationship with Kim by the time he appears in BB, given he's trying to frick Francesca and has Asian hookers at his office.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:45 pm to Ham Solo
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That is just sort of a strange line to end the season on. In my opinion this was foreshadowing another custom wall we have seen before.
I think it was much more likely a metaphor, a "wall" between them.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:45 pm to TGHub
Sorry but what does ISZ stand for? It's eating me alive not knowing that.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:33 pm to siliconvalleytiger
Ice Station Zebra
It's the name of one of Kim's dad's favorite movies and Saul has a loan out company named after it called Ice Station Zebra Associates
It's the name of one of Kim's dad's favorite movies and Saul has a loan out company named after it called Ice Station Zebra Associates
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:35 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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Sorry but what does ISZ stand for? It's eating me alive not knowing that.
Ice Station Zebra.
Ice Station Zebra is an old movie Kim and Jimmy watched together in an older episode.
Afterwards, when they scammed the guy in the restaurant into investing into their fake business, they had him write a check out to "Ice Station Zebra Associates." Of course, they didn't cash it, they just kept it as a souvenir.
However, when Walter White has to pay Saul Goodman to get Badger free when he is arrested for meth distribution in Breaking Bad, Saul Goodman has him write out a check to his loan out, "Ice Station Zebra Associates."
Ham Solo thinks this is evidence that Kim is still around in the background in Breaking Bad. However, the more likely explanation is that Saul Goodman used the name because he already had a tradition of using it for shady shite (e.g. the scamming he and Kim did together).
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:42 pm to efrad
It's just a cute Easter egg that they put into BCS as a small tribute to the fans who would care enough to notice. Trying to get anything more out of it is contrived non sense. But this is who we are dealing with here.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:42 pm to efrad
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However, the more likely explanation is that Saul Goodman used the name because he already had a tradition of using it for shady shite (e.g. the scamming he and Kim did together
Just to clarify this a bit more, they have only used that name once. They did two cons and they used this name during the con that Kim initiated on her own. Pretty good breakdown of ISZA though.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:52 pm to Ham Solo
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It's just a cute Easter egg that they put into BCS as a small tribute to the fans who would care enough to notice. Trying to get anything more out of it is contrived non sense.
Wrong, if this were just an Easter egg they would have given this line to Jimmy. Giving this line to Kim means it now requires further explanation. They know their fans pick this stuff apart and would not have been that careless.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 4:07 pm to Ham Solo
ISZ was nothing more than a BrBa callback.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 4:26 pm to musick
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ISZ was nothing more than a BrBa callback.
Disagree, it's been brought up twice now, both times it has been associated to Kim and not Jimmy.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 8:57 am to Ham Solo
It is.
Do you also think the krazy8 call back in the mall had something more than just calling back to BrBa?
How bout the "No-Doz" bottle in her car before the wreck?
That HAS to be connected right?
Do you also think the krazy8 call back in the mall had something more than just calling back to BrBa?
How bout the "No-Doz" bottle in her car before the wreck?
That HAS to be connected right?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:11 am to musick
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Do you also think the krazy8 call back in the mall had something more than just calling back to BrBa?
No, I don't. Neither of those examples you listed did anything to further the story of what we know about them. Those are true Easter eggs.
With ISZ we are still approaching it's creation so any new information about it is subject to scrutiny. The fact the writers have brought it up twice and connected it to Kim both times suggests strongly they have more to say about this subject.
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 9:13 am
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:22 am to musick
oh look, another episode thread hopelessly derailed.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:26 am to TigerFanatic99
quote:The season is over and this conversation didn't take place until well after the episode had been discussed at length. It was also started because of what happened in the episode.
oh look, another episode thread hopelessly derailed
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:31 am to Ham Solo
I actually agree with your idea. I was just disappointed when I popped in to see what had been discussed about the episode and a-hole's assumed suicide to run into this back and forth again. It's been a page talking about the ISZA reference, that wasn't in this episode at all, was it? There have been multiple threads dedicated specifically to your idea (which, again, I am a supporter of).
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