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re: Better Call Saul S3 E10 Lantern (Season Finale)
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:38 am to TigerFanatic99
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:38 am to TigerFanatic99
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It's been a page talking about the ISZA reference, that wasn't in this episode at all, was it?
It started when I brought up that Kim didn't give a shite about Irene and that reference to making a better wall.
I am kind of in a catch 22. Those things deserve to be brought up because they happen in the episode, but I can't help arguing with people that shite on the theory for no good reason. I did wait until the episode had been discussed a lot before bringing it up.
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 9:41 am
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Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:46 am to Ham Solo
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The fact the writers have brought it up twice and connected it to Kim both times suggests strongly they have more to say about this subject.
An easter egg is an easter egg. Without "connecting" it to something makes it pointless. Will IZSA come up again? Maybe. Does it in any way suggest that Kim was with Saul during BrBa? No. It's merely something they used to connect the two shows. Kim is obviously estranged from Saul by the time of BrBa (or dead).
Anything else is you reading into something that isn't there.
The ISZA reference was just a callback to BrBa and the origins of that ridiculous named company. If anything it's just something he kept as a memory of Kim.
Kim isn't with Saul in BrBa. There isn't enough there and his living condtiions suggest otherwise.
They won't retcon a huge part of BrBa.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:55 am to musick
I think the simplest explanation for IZSA is that Kim leaves Jimmy and ABQ for any of a variety of potential reasons. IZSA is probably a spur of the moment, off the top of Jimmy/Saul's head need to come up with a name and he did so creatively while thinking about a lost love. It could be as simple as that.
That being said, I do feel like Gene will seek out Kim since he passed out in a panic attack in an effort to regain a sense of previous self.
That being said, I do feel like Gene will seek out Kim since he passed out in a panic attack in an effort to regain a sense of previous self.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:58 am to musick
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Kim is obviously estranged from Saul by the time of BrBa (or dead).
I support my claims with things the writers are doing in the show. The only evidence that supports that claim is that you didn't see her when you watched BB. quote:
An easter egg is an easter egg.
No. If what they are showing is giving you more information about the story, it is story telling. We are learning more info about ISZA.
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They won't retcon a huge part of BrBa.
If they go into the Breaking Bad timeline, which they have said they will, every single thing they do will be retconing BB.
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 10:04 am
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:18 am to Ham Solo
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I support my claims with things the writers are doing in the show
If you are referencing stuff like the shadow pic you posted where Kim is in the shadow, then
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 10:18 am
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:21 am to Ham Solo
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If they go into the Breaking Bad timeline, which they have said they will, every single thing they do will be retconing BB.
They haven't. It's a possibility. I think they will timejump BrBa completely after maybe one scene with Saul getting a call from Jessie and/or Walt. I've thought about this. They don't have anything to gain by retreading BrBa. What they can and will do is go past that timeline. (And have already)
Also do you know what retconning is? Even if they do go into that timeline they could avoid retconning BrBa.
Vince Gilligan isnt going to shite all over his best accomplishment to entertain this sad theory.
It's pretty obvious to me the last thing that has to happen to Jimmy to become full-time Saul has to do with Kim and it's not going to be good.
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 10:28 am
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:24 am to musick
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If you are referencing stuff like the shadow pic you posted where Kim is in the shadow, then
I have shown much more than that, including the ISZ stuff. My point was my argument is based on things that I can point at directly in the show. I can give you exact moments to look at. I also admit that I could be wrong.
You say Kim has definitely left Jimmy or is dead. This is based on nothing but what is going on your head.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:31 am to Ham Solo
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. My point was my argument is based on things that I can point at directly in the show
You are taking things like small easter eggs and blowing them way up to be focused plot points.
My assumption is based on BrBa. Kim isn't in that show or even mentioned in passing by Saul. If she was WITH Saul, they would have more than a small ISZA reference. That reference alone started out as a joke.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:33 am to musick
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They haven't. It's a possibility.
LINK
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Also do you know what retconning is? Even if they do go into that timeline they could avoid retconning BrBa.
Yes. Do you? They would be retconning every thing we know about Jimmy/Saul from that time.
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Vince Gilligan isnt going to shite all over his best accomplishment to entertain this sad theory.
I have complete faith that whatever Vince decides to do he will do it well.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:37 am to musick
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You are taking things like small easter eggs
Getting new info on Saul's money laundering operation is not a small easter egg.
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Kim isn't in that show or even mentioned in passing by Saul.
Correct. They hadn't dreamed her up yet. We also see nothing of Saul's personal life. We know nothing about him outside of his meetings with Walt. The only chance they had to connect Kim to BB was to use ISZ and they took the opportunity to do so. They did this for a reason.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:39 am to Ham Solo
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Peter Gould, executive producer of AMC’s Breaking Bad spinoff Better Call Saul, told the New York Daily News that the spinoff will jump between decades and may even include scenes that take place during the Breaking Bad timeline
Well that's definite isn't it? Give me a break.
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Yes. Do you? They would be retconning every thing we know about Jimmy/Saul from that time.
They could do a whole bunch of things and not retcon Saul. Vince isn't going to retcon arguably the best drama in television history. It's not in his playbook.
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 10:42 am
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:40 am to musick
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:40 am to musick
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Well that's definite isn't it? Give me a break.
Vince isn't going to throw that bait out there and not deliver.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:45 am to musick
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You should read this:
Why? It's just some random blogger with some flaws in his article.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:47 am to Ham Solo
If you read the quote, it's Gould, not Vince, and he's saying that the show will "jump between decades"
He's clearly talking about the Gene scenes.
I think they may cross into the BrBa timeline but if they do it will be brief, and followed by a timejump to fulltime Gene. They don't stand to gain anything retreading that timeline when they have an entire prequel show + Breaking Bad to develop Jimmy/Saul. The big part will be the POST Breaking Bad stuff. In fact, if they went back and started retconning BrBa it would hurt that shows legacy.
Anyway I know you are hung up on this theory so I'll let you indulge. I want you to eat crow when it's proven wrong, which it will be.
He's clearly talking about the Gene scenes.
I think they may cross into the BrBa timeline but if they do it will be brief, and followed by a timejump to fulltime Gene. They don't stand to gain anything retreading that timeline when they have an entire prequel show + Breaking Bad to develop Jimmy/Saul. The big part will be the POST Breaking Bad stuff. In fact, if they went back and started retconning BrBa it would hurt that shows legacy.
Anyway I know you are hung up on this theory so I'll let you indulge. I want you to eat crow when it's proven wrong, which it will be.
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 10:50 am
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:49 am to Ham Solo
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Why? It's just some random blogger with some flaws in his article.
and you are just some random Arkansas fan posting Saul theories on an LSU message board based off of mis-led speculation. There isn't a huge difference, I thought you might like some info concerning the anti-thesis of your theory. But clearly you just like to shite on anyone who doesn't agree with it.Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:50 am to musick
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I want you to eat crow when it's proven wrong,
I am not going anywhere, and I have said all along I could be wrong. You however, claim with absolute certainty that this can't happen, yet have not given a valid reason why it can't happen.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:55 am to Ham Solo
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You however, claim with absolute certainty that this can't happen, yet have not given a valid reason why it can't happen.
The writers are better than this. What you are talking about is a a busche league move and Vince isn't doing that.
I could go on and on on other reasons why (like hurting BrBa's legacy and shifting the attention from that show's actual plot) or that (Kim is very uneasy about Jimmy's more serious scams) or that (Once Kim learns that Jimmy scammed her and lied to her that wont end well).
You could also take the foreshadowing that did with Chuck and how he died and apply it to Kim and the car accident, no sleep, and use that.
There's more signs too, but you are hanging onto a easter egg from BrBa and some weird things like camera angles and other ever weirder interpretations of symbolism and standing behind them.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:59 am to musick
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and you are just some random Arkansas fan posting Saul theories on an LSU message board
You know zero about me. quote:
But clearly you just like to shite on anyone who doesn't agree with it.
I haven't shite on anyone for disagreeing. I will just argue with anyone who dismisses it so easily because I truly believe it is correct.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:02 am to musick
Here is my version of a Ham Solo post:
You see how the "W" is trending upward and the "M" is trending down? This shows that Jimmy and Kim are intertwined and Kim will see great success when Jimmy goes full Saul. They can't be together. J+K!=S
You see how the "W" is trending upward and the "M" is trending down? This shows that Jimmy and Kim are intertwined and Kim will see great success when Jimmy goes full Saul. They can't be together. J+K!=S
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