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re: Best character arcs: from POS to Hero?

Posted on 12/18/21 at 8:38 pm to
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 12/18/21 at 8:38 pm to
Vegeta (granted, Dragonball series were all about bad guys becoming good so there’s a lot of candidates to pick from)
Posted by Duane Dibbley
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Posted on 12/18/21 at 8:43 pm to
Fusco Person of Interest


Posted by Sus-Scrofa
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Posted on 12/18/21 at 8:47 pm to
Based only on the GOT show, have to go with the Hound.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 12/18/21 at 9:32 pm to
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Pete from Mad Men




Concur

POS you wanted fired and then felt sorry for him and in the end rooted for him. Signal 30 was the turning point on how Pete was viewed.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
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Posted on 12/18/21 at 9:39 pm to
Cobra Commander
Posted by Zap Rowsdower
MissLou, La
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Posted on 12/18/21 at 9:40 pm to
Barbosa from Pirates of the Caribbean
Posted by truthbetold
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Posted on 12/18/21 at 9:48 pm to
surprised no one has said Ben Linus
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 12/18/21 at 9:56 pm to
Rick from Casablanca?


Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
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Posted on 12/18/21 at 10:00 pm to
The best character arc from POS to Hero in any media is St. Paul in the book of Acts.
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 12/18/21 at 10:09 pm to
Is it? Paul was instrumental in Romanizing the Christian faith. There’s a lot of wisdom in the Epistles of Paul that somewhat contradict teachings in earlier portions of the Bible. These factors lead many to speculate that Paul was a double-agent sent to infiltrate the burgeoning Christian movement and co-opt it to eventually be taken over by Rome, which is eventually what happened. The bulk of the Christian faith eventually became an arm of the Empire which continued to maintain Imperial traditions and political power after the rest of the Empire officially collapsed. Yet, despite this, the Pope filled the void holding immense power and influence over the Kings of Europe that ruled over the former Empire.

One could also argue that absent this Romanization, Christianity never would have replaced Paganism as the religion of choice for Roman citizens, but it is unquestionable that Paul greatly altered the trajectory and teachings of the early church.
This post was edited on 12/18/21 at 10:11 pm
Posted by saintsfan92612
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Posted on 12/18/21 at 10:12 pm to
would Oskar Schindler count?

At first he is a Nazi who sees the jews purely as an opportunity to make money and as cheap labor he can exploit but then starts saving more and more lives until the end when he laments not being able to save more.



But since dragon ball was already brought up, I always respected Piccolo's arc. Dude was made out of pure evil but goes on to save the son of his biggest rival... Hell Dragon Ball is full of assholes turned good...hell the first episode starts with the main character getting shot in the head by what would become his main travel companion.
Posted by tigerfan84
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Posted on 12/18/21 at 10:16 pm to
Stanley Ipkiss
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
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Posted on 12/18/21 at 10:17 pm to
quote:

Stanley Ipkiss


If you go by the actual source material, he goes from hero to POS.
Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 12/18/21 at 10:27 pm to
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 12/18/21 at 10:57 pm to
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Based only on the GOT show, have to go with the Hound.

I think I might take this over Jaime. The Hound was just a brutal lackey early on, while Jaime had noble aspects laid out early. His compassion for his unfortunate brother, his allegiance to the Realm, etc.

The Hound was just a goon, until we saw he had a conscience regarding little girls.

Snape is a clear winner here too, you go maybe half the series before realizing he's actually a hero.

Darth Vader, for those old enough to remember the original trilogy. He was the original terrifying bad guy, the one everyone feared. Cross between a sorcerer and Gestapo.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 12/18/21 at 11:04 pm to
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You think Bodie actually changed? He grew and evolved but I think he was the same corner soldier the whole time


The OP said a character you started out hating but ended up loving I can’t get think of a better 180 than Bodie
Posted by TideWarrior
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 12/19/21 at 7:57 am to
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The Hound was just a goon, until we saw he had a conscience regarding little girls.

Snape is a clear winner here too, you go maybe half the series before realizing he's actually a hero.

Darth Vader, for those old enough to remember the original trilogy. He was the original terrifying bad guy, the one everyone feared. Cross between a sorcerer and Gestapo.


These are probably top 3.

Vader being the most interesting one. For me I saw the original and the image of Vader was evil but as we learned over time he changed. For my kids who have seen them in order they never saw Vader as evil. They sympathized with a kid that lost his mother and felt empathy for him always expecting him to return to the good.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:22 am to
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my kids who have seen them in order they never saw Vader as evil. They sympathized with a kid that lost his mother and felt empathy for him always expecting him to return to the good


As if I didn’t need more reason to hate the abortions known as the prequels
Posted by OystermanTiger
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Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 12/19/21 at 12:07 pm to
Roland "Prez" Pryzbylewski
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 12/19/21 at 12:46 pm to
How about Han Solo in Star Wars? Pretty selfish throughout most of the film, leaves with his money before Yavin, and then shows up at the last second at the Death Star to save Luke’s arse.
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