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re: Beauty and the Beast Disney Agenda
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:14 am to SabiDojo
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:14 am to SabiDojo
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Younger children (3-6) that haven't reached the age of reason are really impressionable, don't know the consequences of their actions, and will copy things they see.
Oh for fricks sake. A subtle gay reference in a movie isn't going to turn your kid gay.
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:14 am to Salmon
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No he isn't
him and his wife
Yeah, that isn't Gaston...
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:14 am to SabiDojo
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Honestly I don't see the gayness. And Gaston looked like he was falling asleep.
I'm more offended by the lack of energy and the casting of the movie than any gayness. (If you want to see a gay version of Beauty and the Beast, go to any community theater production of it.)
I'm looking forward to seeing Kevin Kline in a film. Always nice to see him back.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:15 am to PortCityTiger24
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eah, that isn't Gaston...
oh sorry
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:15 am to gatorhata9
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Oh for fricks sake. A subtle gay reference in a movie isn't going to turn your kid gay.
I don't know. Seeing Julie Newmar in a Catwoman suit made me straight.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:17 am to Salmon
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:18 am to Columbia
I wasn't going to see it anyway, so it's not out of my way not to see it now. I never even saw the cartoon.
It's not about inclusion, though, imo. When you cater to such a small segment of the populace, there is definitely an agenda, and since Hollywood's gay percentage is sky high, I'd say that agenda is just typical outlier self-normalization. Since it's Disnaey, I look forward to their forthcoming pedo normalization.
It's not about inclusion, though, imo. When you cater to such a small segment of the populace, there is definitely an agenda, and since Hollywood's gay percentage is sky high, I'd say that agenda is just typical outlier self-normalization. Since it's Disnaey, I look forward to their forthcoming pedo normalization.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:20 am to Burt Reynolds
quote:Yeah. Typically studios don't make movies with the expectation that they won't make money.
This movie is a complete cash grab and embarrassment to Disney.
quote:Well they've been doing this for quite a few of their properties (Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, etc.), and they've been critical and commercial successes. They've also been different enough from the original stories to keep it a little unique at least.
It is the exact same movie as the cartoon. Same songs and characters. Just like Jungle Book, they are cashing in on the naivety of this generation's youth.
But I don't get why people care whether a movie is necessary or a message is necessary, when nobody is forced to watch it.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:26 am to gatorhata9
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Oh for fricks sake. A subtle gay reference in a movie isn't going to turn your kid gay.
I didn't know whether the scene was subtle or explicit. Calm down.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:26 am to Fewer Kilometers
There was a serious lack of energy in that scene. That song is one of the best Disney bro songs. shite, it might be the only Disney bro song.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:27 am to SabiDojo
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I didn't know whether the scene was subtle or explicit.
Seen a lot of Disney movies with explicit scenes have you?
The closest Disney has ever come to an explicit scene:
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 9:31 am
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:27 am to Columbia
Two pages and no one has accused you of being a closeted homosexual yet. I'm pleasantly surprised.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:28 am to buckeye_vol
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But I don't get why people care whether a movie is necessary or a message is necessary, when nobody is forced to watch it.
I am annoyed that Disney is bragging about having their first on screen gay moment in a movie targeting children.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:30 am to Green Chili Tiger
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Seen a lot of Disney movies with explicit scenes have you?
Where were you during these dark times?
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:35 am to SabiDojo
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:39 am to Columbia
Your kids probably wouldn't care unless you made a big deal about it. But I respect your choice to parent how you see best.
My daughter can't wait to see it. She has a friend in school who was adopted by a lesbian couple. It's no big deal to her, and we've never made it one. Just told her sometime 2 women or 2 men love each other. She's 10.
My daughter can't wait to see it. She has a friend in school who was adopted by a lesbian couple. It's no big deal to her, and we've never made it one. Just told her sometime 2 women or 2 men love each other. She's 10.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:45 am to Columbia
Jesus Christ, what do you think Elsa's song was about: Let It Go
That's jump off the page gay. Disney has always had gay characters, and the one they're just coming out and saying is was always suspected to be among them. I think your daughters can handle LeFou just having a huge man crush on Gaston.
If you've let them watch "The Hunchback of Notre Dame", where the villain's musical number is about him justifying raping and murdering a girl, then they should be able to see this.
That's jump off the page gay. Disney has always had gay characters, and the one they're just coming out and saying is was always suspected to be among them. I think your daughters can handle LeFou just having a huge man crush on Gaston.
If you've let them watch "The Hunchback of Notre Dame", where the villain's musical number is about him justifying raping and murdering a girl, then they should be able to see this.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:49 am to gatorhata9
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Oh for fricks sake. A subtle gay reference in a movie isn't going to turn your kid gay.
And I'm sure they've watched Frozen before, which that has far more gay subtext than Beauty and the Beast does. All they're doing is just coming out and saying that a character we suspected of being gay all along actually is.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 10:01 am to PortCityTiger24
If you've seen the Beauty and the Beast stage show at MGM studios, the entire thing is gay. Dudes doing ballet holding giant spoons and what not.
If it's a musical, and guys are wearing tights or stockings, then chances are it'll probably appear gay.
If it's a musical, and guys are wearing tights or stockings, then chances are it'll probably appear gay.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 10:02 am to Columbia
I don't doubt that there is a movement among content creators to normalize homosexuality on our screens. You can see it in commercials, TV, movies. It's all pretty obvious. I find it more irritating than offensive, because I seem to encounter gay people on screen more than I actually do in real life.
In this case, the instance seems so short and inconsequential to the plot that I really won't give it much thought or care when I see it.
I'll just remain irritated by the "token" presence of homosexuality in the movie. As I've said many times on this board, "token" diversity is not diversity. When it's not plot-essential, it's just pandering. And that should be irritating to everyone. If you really care about advancing the cause of homosexuality, lobby for a real story about people who are homosexual from Disney. Don't be satisfied by a gay kiss in a throwaway scene, or innuendo. If homosexuality is your cause, then promote it for real. Lefou being "gay" in Beauty in the Beast isn't a win. It's just an odd inclusion. If that makes some people happy, fine. But it seems pretty cheap to me.
TLDR version: If you're going to start a movement, start it for real, or shut the frick up. Either way, I'll be irritated by you, but at least I will respect you. Bother me when Ariel is openly gay, not when Lefou is gay.
In this case, the instance seems so short and inconsequential to the plot that I really won't give it much thought or care when I see it.
I'll just remain irritated by the "token" presence of homosexuality in the movie. As I've said many times on this board, "token" diversity is not diversity. When it's not plot-essential, it's just pandering. And that should be irritating to everyone. If you really care about advancing the cause of homosexuality, lobby for a real story about people who are homosexual from Disney. Don't be satisfied by a gay kiss in a throwaway scene, or innuendo. If homosexuality is your cause, then promote it for real. Lefou being "gay" in Beauty in the Beast isn't a win. It's just an odd inclusion. If that makes some people happy, fine. But it seems pretty cheap to me.
TLDR version: If you're going to start a movement, start it for real, or shut the frick up. Either way, I'll be irritated by you, but at least I will respect you. Bother me when Ariel is openly gay, not when Lefou is gay.
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