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re: Bear Grylls or Survivorman?
Posted on 2/16/09 at 10:56 am to badams22
Posted on 2/16/09 at 10:56 am to badams22
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Is anyone gonna make an argument towards why stroud is better than grylls though? Doesnt appear so...grylls' crew contributes to his ratings which is why everyone agrees its a better show and thats it stop talking about it...Someone touched on it earlier though stroud has guns, fishing poles, flashlights, tents, batteries - whats the definition of camping exactly?
This topic has been discussed hundreds of times on this site. I don't feel like typing anything new so I am gonna quote some of my old posts.
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All I'm saying is that if you want an accurate portrayal of outdoor survival, then "Survivorman" is what you should be watching. Les Stroud is extremely intelligent and skilled.
If you want to see sensational testosterone driven crap that would likely get you killed in a real survival situation, then please, by all means watch "Man Vs. Wild." Bear Grylls is a tough guy, no doubt, but his show is all about sensationalism and not about true survival.
Real true survival is fricking boring. I suggest you go take some survival courses, and after you do, you'll agree with me, I guarantee it.
I've been to BOSS and the UK Survival School.
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Man vs. Wild is like the Michael Bay movies with lots of explosions and action that appeals to the simple minded doofs!
Survivorman is like a documentary where you actually learn something.
I've been to the UK Survival School and Boulder Outdoor Survival School and I can confidently say that Survivorman is a more accurate representation of outdoor survival.
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I hope nobody actually takes any of Bear's advice.
Bear does things that no survival instructor in his right mind would ever suggest you do. YOU WILL DIE IF YOU DO WHAT BEAR DOES!
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Posted on 2/16/09 at 11:04 am to WikiTiger
Holy shite im tired of saying it...Bear is "not about true survival" SERIOUSLY? LES HAS SUPPLIES WITH HIM...no questioning his knowledge but hes not SURVIVING hes frickin camping
Posted on 2/16/09 at 11:10 am to badams22
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SERIOUSLY? LES HAS SUPPLIES WITH HIM...no questioning his knowledge but hes not SURVIVING hes frickin camping
He's usually recreating situations where normal people find themselves in trouble. Since most normal people have a minimum amount of supplies with them when they go hiking/camping/snowmobiling/etc., Les does too.
Posted on 2/16/09 at 11:13 am to badams22
But since you push the issue, Les actually lived in the wild for a year utilizing no modern technology at all. So yes, he can survive.
Posted on 2/16/09 at 11:22 am to Froman
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But yeah, Les is certainly more proven of being able to survive ALONE, without a camera crew to save his life like Bear.
I haven't bothered reading the whole thread but I have to respond to this with "Bear was SAS". He can and would survive anywhere. His show is about entertainment. People get lost in the whole "his show is fake" shite, but please don't forget this dude is a beast.
and still, I can't watch Les's boring shite more than 8 minutes.
Posted on 2/16/09 at 12:22 pm to badams22
quote:and a camera crew with him, and a subway, and a hotel. It was proved this guy has it set up for these outrageous stunts (drinking juice from Elephant poo)
Bear can survive ANYWHERE...and never has more than some clothes and a lighter
Posted on 2/16/09 at 12:34 pm to donut
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and a camera crew with him, and a subway, and a hotel. It was proved this guy has it set up for these outrageous stunts (drinking juice from Elephant poo)
no one denies this. But you are very naive if you think this dude can't make it on his own. He just understands his show is entertainment. You can only take so many fricking boring survival lessons before you want to see some death stunts.
Posted on 2/16/09 at 12:40 pm to Tigerbait337
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Watching survivor man atm..and he randomly has a cotton ball and a flashlight to make a fire
Yeah when going backpacking I would NEVER EVER pack a Flashlight or First Aid kit.
He specifically stated that he was setting that scenario up as if he was a lost backpacker since he was in a U.S. National park where thousands of people do that every year.
Posted on 2/16/09 at 12:51 pm to badams22
Bear Grylls is 10x better
Bear has just as much survival information as survivor man does....but the difference is that Bear was trained in the British special forces, and anyone who has summited Everest 3 times is the blue print of a survivor if you ask me.
Also, I have never seen Survivorman...
-scale the side of a cliff bare handed
-jump out of plane and then slide down a mountain
-climb through a glacier
-jump from 120 ft waterfalls
-bite the head off of snakes ect...
besides, the shock value of Bear drinking his piss, eating elephant dung, and gutting out a camel to eat parts of it, and then climbing inside its carcase for shelter is just good television IMO
If I need to survive somewhere I would want Bear over Suvivorman no doubt.
Bear has just as much survival information as survivor man does....but the difference is that Bear was trained in the British special forces, and anyone who has summited Everest 3 times is the blue print of a survivor if you ask me.
Also, I have never seen Survivorman...
-scale the side of a cliff bare handed
-jump out of plane and then slide down a mountain
-climb through a glacier
-jump from 120 ft waterfalls
-bite the head off of snakes ect...
besides, the shock value of Bear drinking his piss, eating elephant dung, and gutting out a camel to eat parts of it, and then climbing inside its carcase for shelter is just good television IMO
If I need to survive somewhere I would want Bear over Suvivorman no doubt.
Posted on 2/16/09 at 12:56 pm to Mouth
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Bear has just as much survival information as survivor man does
As some who prefers MvW as a show I will disagree with that.
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anyone who has summited Everest 3 times is the blue print of a survivor if you ask me.
Too bad the two don't have jack shite to do with one another.
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-scale the side of a cliff bare handed
Which would have a 70% mortality rate for me or you.
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-jump out of plane and then slide down a mountain
Which would also have greater than 50% chance of death for me or you
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-climb through a glacier
Might not kill you, but for someone stranded in the wilderness with no food would burn up so many calories that it would retarded to do.
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-jump from 120 ft waterfalls
>50% mortality
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-bite the head off of snakes ect...
Ok? Chances are smacking the fricking thing with a stick and then using a sharp rock to cut its head away is much easier and safer.
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If I need to survive somewhere I would want Bear over Suvivorman no doubt.
Disagree.
Posted on 2/16/09 at 12:59 pm to Mouth
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Also, I have never seen Survivorman...
-scale the side of a cliff bare handed
-jump out of plane and then slide down a mountain
-climb through a glacier
-jump from 120 ft waterfalls
-bite the head off of snakes ect...
That's because no one versed in survival would EVER recommend doing such a thing. The truth is, those are exactly the things that survival instructors tell you NOT TO DO.
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If I need to survive somewhere I would want Bear over Suvivorman no doubt.
Go take a couple of survival courses and then report back on who you prefer.
Posted on 2/16/09 at 1:00 pm to badams22
I like Bear's personality and optimism. Survivorman seems so depressed at the end of every episode.
Posted on 2/16/09 at 1:04 pm to LSUtigahs28
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As some who prefers MvW as a show I will disagree with that.
me too. If you are really stuck out there, Les has it right. People should never try to imitate Bear UNLESS it was an extreme situation and you had to get to safety or you were trying to find help for someone you were with that's immobile, I guess he's just showing you that some of these death defying stunts are doable(although not a great idea). Also he's showing some SERE tactics, trying to keep moving as if he's running or evading someone.
I just laugh at the people who think Bear is whack because he doesn't carry his own cameras and the whole hotel shite that came about. He's still legit, he just knows what it takes to make his show entertaining.
Posted on 2/16/09 at 1:07 pm to LSUtigahs28
I think if you have Bear with you, you will eat more. That dude always finds the right shrubs, plants, bugs, snakes, to eat. Meanwhile Stroud just plays his harmonica and sleeps, and pretty much stays in one spot.
Bear can also make the better shelters from what i've seen.
Bear can also make the better shelters from what i've seen.
Posted on 2/16/09 at 1:08 pm to BugAC
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Bear's crew can also make the better shelters from what i've seen.
Posted on 2/16/09 at 1:13 pm to Michael J Cocks
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me too. If you are really stuck out there, Les has it right. People should never try to imitate Bear UNLESS it was an extreme situation and you had to get to safety or you were trying to find help for someone you were with that's immobile, I guess he's just showing you that some of these death defying stunts are doable(although not a great idea). Also he's showing some SERE tactics, trying to keep moving as if he's running or evading someone.
Right keep in mind Bear has SAS training. That means he's trained to do extreme shite, like climb cliff barehanded or jump off waterfalls. Me and (likely) you don't. Bear is also probably more naturally athletic and in better shape than anyone on this board.
I couldn't climb a cliff barehanded because I'm not in good shape, not trained, and if I was in the wilderness I'd probably be starving and exhausted. Not a good recipe for trying cliff climbing for the first time.
Also at least in one episode Bear's crew/producers placed an animal into his trap for him.
Posted on 2/16/09 at 1:24 pm to donut
quote:while dehydrating in the fricking desert. What would Les do? Cry about dehydrating.
(drinking juice from Elephant poo)
Posted on 2/16/09 at 1:26 pm to WikiTiger
quote:finding a way out>>>crying about being lost
Go take a couple of survival courses and then report back on who you prefer.
Posted on 2/16/09 at 1:32 pm to Acreboy
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finding a way out>>>crying about being lost
Posted on 2/16/09 at 1:34 pm to LSUtigahs28
when you can prove that wrong i'll shut up about it.
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