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re: Batman: The Killing Joke Official Trailer (for real this time)
Posted on 4/27/16 at 1:29 pm to BlacknGold
Posted on 4/27/16 at 1:29 pm to BlacknGold
You see his hand on her blouse and she had just been shot. You can imply rape but the comic itself does not. They give enough information that suggest rape but they don't give a smoking gun.
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Posted on 4/27/16 at 2:20 pm to Byron Bojangles III
I didn't even click it and I already know it's fricking awesome.
I can't wait for this movie. Take my money goddamn it.
I can't wait for this movie. Take my money goddamn it.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 2:56 pm to MasCervezas
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You removed my screen name from your siq quote :(
Admins keep shortening it I think
Edit. Fixed
This post was edited on 4/27/16 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 4/27/16 at 3:21 pm to ThoseGuys
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they don't give a smoking gun
i mean did you want them to physically show you the rape?
Posted on 4/27/16 at 3:49 pm to Midget Death Squad
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The art is gritty and rough,
That's not gritty and rough unless your idea of normal is the shite you find on CN or Adult Swim.
For something like this you need something more classical and detailed in order to have enough to make it suitably dark. Hell, even the detail level of something like Spectacular Spiderman or the old B:TAS styles would have been better.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 4:12 pm to BlacknGold
I meant that it is equally easy to reach the conclusion that she was not raped as there is to say she was raped.
No one at any point references a rape occurring. There is no clear signs of a rape happening. We can easily say the Joker removed her clothes to take the photos of her laying in a pool of her own blood naked, not that he raped her.
The scene of her gritting her teeth while naked could just as easily suggest she is in terrible pain from the gun shot as if she was being raped (given that she was paralyzed from the waist down, she would not feel him raping her thus no reason for a painful reaction other than from the knowledge that she was being raped).
If I remember, I thought Alan Moore wanted the rape more obvious and DC made him back off greatly.
A smoking gun would be a frame of them after the rape, of the Joker removing his own clothes, someone making a statement implying rape, or a form of symbolism to represent the rape.
No one at any point references a rape occurring. There is no clear signs of a rape happening. We can easily say the Joker removed her clothes to take the photos of her laying in a pool of her own blood naked, not that he raped her.
The scene of her gritting her teeth while naked could just as easily suggest she is in terrible pain from the gun shot as if she was being raped (given that she was paralyzed from the waist down, she would not feel him raping her thus no reason for a painful reaction other than from the knowledge that she was being raped).
If I remember, I thought Alan Moore wanted the rape more obvious and DC made him back off greatly.
A smoking gun would be a frame of them after the rape, of the Joker removing his own clothes, someone making a statement implying rape, or a form of symbolism to represent the rape.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 4:38 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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Admins keep shortening it I think Edit. Fixed
Posted on 4/27/16 at 4:57 pm to Roaad
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rape pics
That's never explicitly said, although it is pretty heavily implied that she got raped in the bullet hole
Posted on 4/27/16 at 5:14 pm to ThoseGuys
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given that she was paralyzed from the waist down, she would not feel him raping her thus no reason for a painful reaction other than from the knowledge that she was being raped).
UNLESS she was raped in the bullet hole. Which is exactly what most normal, well-adjusted people perceived upon first reading.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 5:16 pm to LucasP
WTF is wrong with you people?
Posted on 4/27/16 at 5:42 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Hate to agree with FK, but not a great fan of this story. After hearing and reading for years here and elsewhere, "ZOMG!!! The Killing Joke is the bestest ever!!!", I finally read it. I was left with an overwhelming feeling of, "This was it?" First, as stated earlier here, the story was so brief I kept going back to see if I had missed some panels or pages. I just wasn't grabbed by it.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 6:08 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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First, as stated earlier here, the story was so brief I kept going back to see if I had missed some panels or pages. I just wasn't grabbed by it.
It's a minimalist story that's not about Batman, it's about the Joker and his attempt to make others feel his pain and place in the world. It's him trying (and failing) to justify his own choices and decent into madness. Sorry there's no green arrow cameos or cool fight scenes, but it's about the best and worst of humanity in extreme situations.
Jackass.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 6:38 pm to LucasP
It's also trying to enlighten those too prude to really experience the pleasure a bullet hole has to offer.
Eta: to the "can't feel pain, no rape" guy, just because she can't feel it, doesn't mean she enjoys being penetrated by the worst villain Gotham has ever known. So in your mind, she should just be showing no emotion if being raped?
Eta: to the "can't feel pain, no rape" guy, just because she can't feel it, doesn't mean she enjoys being penetrated by the worst villain Gotham has ever known. So in your mind, she should just be showing no emotion if being raped?
This post was edited on 4/27/16 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 4/27/16 at 7:11 pm to Midget Death Squad
quote:it looks like Archer to be honest. not that that's a bad thing. it just does.
Why is the animation so terrible?
Posted on 4/27/16 at 7:59 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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Not a fan of the comic. It's one of Moore's lesser works that never should've been brought into the Batman canon.
Watched the beginning of the trailer. A shame to have those voices associated with this crap.
I mean everyone has an opinion and all but reading your sorry excuse for an opinion made me angry and fidgety. This is by no means one of Moore's "lesser works," if the man even has a lesser work. He's an absolute literary genius.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 8:00 pm to BlacknGold
I am saying that the frame we are references is not a strong enough evidence to prove rape.
I would even argue that Batman and Gordon's reactions are not strong enough to merit if it had been rape as both toward the end still want to simply arrest the Joker and return him to Arkham.
Granted I am in the belief that Alan Moore had every intent for it to involve rape but that DC made him change it, which is hypocritical of them because a large plot point in Identity Crisis involved rape that was stated as fact.
I would even argue that Batman and Gordon's reactions are not strong enough to merit if it had been rape as both toward the end still want to simply arrest the Joker and return him to Arkham.
Granted I am in the belief that Alan Moore had every intent for it to involve rape but that DC made him change it, which is hypocritical of them because a large plot point in Identity Crisis involved rape that was stated as fact.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 8:17 pm to ThoseGuys
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You can imply rape but the comic itself does not. They give enough information that suggest rape
So suggesting rape and implying rape are different things?
Posted on 4/27/16 at 8:25 pm to SG_Geaux
It is likely bad wording but my point is that the comic has no real definitive proof that a rape occurred. All we really know for fact is that the Joker shot Barbara, removed her clothes, and took pictures of her naked.
The fact that he stripped her, took pictures, and the entire purpose is to torture Gordon is enough for some people to believe he also raped her.
There is arguments to be made on both sides that have enough merit that neither side can ever be 100% correct. The same applied to if Batman kills the Joker at the end.
The fact that he stripped her, took pictures, and the entire purpose is to torture Gordon is enough for some people to believe he also raped her.
There is arguments to be made on both sides that have enough merit that neither side can ever be 100% correct. The same applied to if Batman kills the Joker at the end.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 9:59 pm to Byron Bojangles III
Wouldn't mind rewatching all of Batman the Animated Series.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:02 pm to ThoseGuys
Here is Joker after another suggested/implied rape.
of a redhead no less.
that he made the man in her life witness.
Seems like a theme.
Now here is a scene from The Killing Joke:
Notice the homage in the last panel of both.
of a redhead no less.
that he made the man in her life witness.
Seems like a theme.
Now here is a scene from The Killing Joke:
Notice the homage in the last panel of both.
This post was edited on 4/27/16 at 10:08 pm
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