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re: Apple+ Foundation
Posted on 11/3/21 at 1:49 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 11/3/21 at 1:49 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Gaal is a guy, not a pregnant girl. The guy that she's in love with doesnt even exist, so thats not how Hari dies. Salvor is a guy. There is no cloning in the book so the Day/Dawn/Dusk thing is made up, which means almost all their side stories are made up.
Good lord, who green lit those ideas?
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 3:01 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Non-book rider. The show is terrible, but I am a sucker for sci-fi, so I push on.
Salvor's arch is especially bad.
Salvor's arch is especially bad.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 6:13 am to iwyLSUiwy
I guess my disappointment springs from the wait. I read these books nearly 25-30 years ago. My expectations were very high . . .
I haven’t watched beyond the second episode. The other Apple series, Invasion, is just as disappointing.
I haven’t watched beyond the second episode. The other Apple series, Invasion, is just as disappointing.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 8:35 am to iwyLSUiwy
Hell, I like the show.
I’m a Foundation Hodor, though. I get that I’m not getting straight Asimov.
But I just don’t see where this show falls horribly flat. Maybe some things and characters work better than others, but overall, I enjoy it.
I’m a Foundation Hodor, though. I get that I’m not getting straight Asimov.
But I just don’t see where this show falls horribly flat. Maybe some things and characters work better than others, but overall, I enjoy it.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 10:11 am to iwyLSUiwy
quote:I think this concept in general is interesting, it's befitting the hubris of a "galactic emperor".
There is no cloning in the book so the Day/Dawn/Dusk thing is made up
But it doesn't match the source material, so I fully understand why it would be a turnoff for readers. Perhaps it should have been left for a different story.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 10:36 am to Jor Jor The Dinosaur
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But it doesn't match the source material, so I fully understand why it would be a turnoff for readers. Perhaps it should have been left for a different story.
I think it’s just a budget issue. I haven’t read the books, but there seems to be a lot of time covered and a new actor playing Empire after each time jump would be expensive and confusing to the audience.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 11:27 am to Esquire
I'm caught up now. Just not really that good of a show. Not mad about it not being like Foundation, its just not a good show. If they would focus on the Cleons and their story and just cut out the rest of it, I think it would be a lot better. They are the only interesting characters. I will be enjoying that part and then it will switch to Terminus and Gaal and all that and I am just sad.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 11:48 am to Esquire
I'm surprised to learn Empire aren't clones in the books. The Holy Trinity metaphor is one of the more interesting elements of the story. Maybe the show isn't living up to reader's expectations. But stand alone, I think it's a well written show.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 8:38 pm to iwyLSUiwy
I'm really enjoying the show. It's vastly different then all of the simple minded drivel Netflix puts out nowadays
Posted on 12/1/21 at 11:32 am to Bham4Tide
quote:Just watched both of these and was also disappointed. I must have a thing for crappy sci-fi
The other Apple series, Invasion, is just as disappointing.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 8:53 pm to bisceaux
Season 2 just dropped. I hope this show keeps going. High level sci-fi
Posted on 7/23/23 at 12:30 am to Esquire
quote:Haven't watched this yet, but that criticism would be valid for Amazon's Rings of Power. And, I think fear of confusing the audience/ having a disconnect because of not having continuous characters, is a bigger issue than budget.
I think it’s just a budget issue. I haven’t read the books, but there seems to be a lot of time covered and a new actor playing Empire after each time jump would be expensive and confusing to the audience.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 5:53 am to bisceaux
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Just watched both of these and was also disappointed. I must have a thing for crappy sci-fi
They are really bad at sci-fi, See might be the one I’m most disappointed in. The casting and the writing is atrocious.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 8:10 am to smash williams
If they would just get rid of the whole Gaal Salvor arc, it would be pretty good. The story takes place across thousands of years and they needed something to tie it together for TV. And they are doing an awful job with awful characters played by horrifically bad actors to do that.
Apple, just focus on the Cleons, their conflict with the Foundations, and the fall and it would be pretty darn good.
Apple, just focus on the Cleons, their conflict with the Foundations, and the fall and it would be pretty darn good.
This post was edited on 7/23/23 at 8:13 am
Posted on 7/23/23 at 1:49 pm to wareaglepete
I find the Cleons waaaaaaaaaay more interesting than practically anything else in the show.
More of them. Less of everything else.
Still a good weekly watch. Not a lot going on right now on TV.
More of them. Less of everything else.
Still a good weekly watch. Not a lot going on right now on TV.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 5:24 pm to SpqrTiger
I wasn’t a book reader, but disappointed to hear it’s way off.
I have been enjoying the show though. It’s not amazing by any means, but I find the story interesting and the production good.
I have been enjoying the show though. It’s not amazing by any means, but I find the story interesting and the production good.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 5:53 pm to SpqrTiger
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Still a good weekly watch. Not a lot going on right now on TV.
Did you watch Silo yet?
I am assuming that the second season of Foundation has started?
Posted on 7/23/23 at 6:26 pm to Sterling Archer
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I didn't know anything about source material but I do enjoy the show. It's not amazing but I like it enough to continue watching.
This is me.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 12:40 pm to PsychTiger
Yeah, I’m about done with this one.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 3:12 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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I dont understand why you would take the source material from one of the greatest sci fi series of all time, and just decide to pretty much ignore everything in it except for character names.
Super late to the show but I've mostly enjoyed. Really good acting, writing & FX, but I confess to having zero knowledge of the source material. Just starting S2 & as an aide, I started listening to the Foundation Podcast. I wanted to revisit eps I had already seen and figured those who worked on the show would help answer some questions.
Sorta wish I hadn't. The producer flat out admits who was race swapped, gender swapped and why. While I really do enjoy Gaal & Salvor, the 'current day' politics from those involved at making the show is just terrible.
Despite all their flaws, they still manage, imo, to make a decent variation of what (they say) differed from the source. Eg, The Invictus. The Flying Dutchman type aspect of this ship worked really well.
Going to plow through S2 in a few days.
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