re: anyone else like bvs more than civil war

Enjoyed CW far more.

Although I found BvS somewhat enjoyable, there were too many moments where I kept thinking "wtf is this shite?".

I enjoyed both movies but both couldn't have been more different in their tone and pacing.

BvS was a dark, methodical movie that was made for fans of the graphic novels. As a result, it was loved by those who understood the source material and hated by casual fans who didn't understand this version of Batman. And of course the awful vendetta by the critics.

Civil War was well-paced, extremely fun, and paid homage to the source material but changed it up enough so it would be loved by all - comic readers and casual fans.

I guess if it's any consolation I'll be seeing Civil War for a 2nd time while I only saw BvS once.

I enjoyed CW but some of the praise is just over the top. The same things that people just absolutely crucified BvS for CW gets a complete pass.

The whole "Your mom is Martha?" thing making Batman have a change of heart was the worst thing ever. Yet, Tony has a chance meeting with a lady at an elevator and he completely does a 180 about being controlled? Really? The most arrogant, individualistic character in the MCU completely caves because of one lady's sob story. Who just so happened to know that Tony would be at that exact spot at that exact time? And that's not lazy writing?

As pointed out elsewhere, there just happened to be a camera at the exact location that the murder of his parents went down? And not even a camera set up along the length of the roadway (thus giving several hundred yards of coverage) but one set up across the roadway (so only about 15 yards of roadway is covered). Boy, that was awfully convenient.

Lastly, Tony Stark had hacked into the most secretive and sophisticated of espionage and surveillance organizations data systems (SHIELD) yet this file of his parents' murder had escaped him all these years. Mmmmmmkay...

Listen, I enjoyed CW a lot. But it's comical to me the logical gymnastics that people will go to to shite on BvS while at the same time defending CW (and, by extension the MCU as a whole).

I liked Civil War better, but the Cap obsession with Bucky was tiresome for me. I understand Cap's affection for his childhood friend, considering no one else from his childhood is even alive anymore. And I get that Bucky was mind controlled. But Bucky is still mind controlled and when Cap went all out for Bucky at the beginning, I'm not sure if he had any evidence Bucky was innocent other than a hunch and a hope.

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BvS was a dark, methodical movie that was made for fans of the graphic novels.

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No it wasn't. It's just a thing that Snyder thought would be cool, there's literally no other reasoning in his films. He's a capricious, mean-spirited manchild with a budget. And The Dark Knight Returns isn't nearly as dark some people like to think or remember. It's fun, exciting, and has heart and character - all be things that this piece of shite wasn't.

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Am I alone in this?

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I'm sure there is a few people out there that Disney did not pay to give a bad review.

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BvS was a dark, methodical movie that was made for fans of the graphic novels.

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It was not methodical.

It was frantic and jumpy. They kept introducing characters and then ignoring them. Batman is THE ONLY CHARACTER with a viable and fleshed out motivation, and yet even that is flimsy.

There was no method or coherent plot.

Just alot of "well, this is happening now", and then Doomsday. Why Doomsday?

Because it [roll credits]. . .

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Whether you think Cap was on the right side in the comics or not almost entirely depends on your political point of view.

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The Reg Act prevented zero casualties

The Reg Act caused a ton of deaths. . .

The Comic Books were pretty clear who the good guys were.

This thread is a trap.

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I agree completely! Loved spiderman and black panther. Anyone who complained that batmans hatred of superman was unwarranted or his change of heart can't honestly say they understand where Steve Rogers attachment to bucky is other than friendship which I feel like goes against who cap is as a character. He seems like the type to put the needs of the many over the wants of the few yet the entire movie is catalyzed by his selfishness in him not wanting to see harm come to his murdering friend. And it makes very little sense why half the people who bucky tries to kill are so easily swayed to accept him as just another part of the team and even risk there lives for him.

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You're not wrong. But I want to make the case for Cap's motivation here, beyond just the friendship with Bucky.

One of the key things to understand about Cap is that he is a man out of his time. His America is not the America you see now. It is the America that once was. When Peggy Carter dies, the only tie left to that America, "home" to Cap is Bucky. Losing Bucky means losing "home"... his last tie to where he comes from. Whether it makes sense to you or not, Cap doesn't like being totally alone in the world, and he acts partly out of desperation. Think about the Smithsonian scene in Winter Solider. Why did Cap go there? He wanted to be around the few relics that are left from his time.

So yes, Cap acted selfishly, when he is usually a team-oriented guy. But that's his internal conflict in this movie. It's not just about friendship. It's about Cap's place in the world, too. I think that gets overlooked because people focus too much on Cap and Bucky and their friendship, without considering what Bucky represents to Cap, beyond friendship.