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re: Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania suffers worst ever second frame drop for an MCU movie
Posted on 2/25/23 at 4:59 pm to HuskyPanda
Posted on 2/25/23 at 4:59 pm to HuskyPanda
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GOTG 3 Will do well but next year they have a slate that could see dismal numbers too. Captain America NWO and Thunderbolts could disappoint. Blade and Deadpool should kill it.
Gunn has Brent he only way able to balance and handle humor and emotional pulls well and seemingly the only director they’ll give real creative control to and he will be gone after this one.
Feige did well those first ten years, but I think he’s too power hungry now and is making really poor decisions in concert with Disney throwing shite at the wall, having cheaply paid VFX employees where the quality shows more and more, and KK level of narrative control. It’s getting out of hand.
They cast well for Blade, but I fear Disney fricking it up with a PG13 rating much like Deadpool. We already got a neutered Disney Daredevil.
May be good that MCU has to share Spiderman with another studio. It’s been the only consistent product they’re still running.
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Posted on 2/25/23 at 5:45 pm to RollTide1987
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-70% to -72%
Posted on 2/25/23 at 7:16 pm to RollTide1987
It’s sensory overload at this point. Way too much shite to watch and way too much mediocrity. I have no interest in tuning into 3-4 disney+ series a year on top of 2-3 movies a year.
Franchises are best when they give audiences a break. Same thing happening with Star Wars tbh
Franchises are best when they give audiences a break. Same thing happening with Star Wars tbh
Posted on 2/25/23 at 7:19 pm to Napoleon
I saw Top Gun 2, and then took my 78 year old dad. we walked out, and i said what did you thing? he said I had to keep adjusting my seat because of my patriot boner (he is retired Navy) - another older guy heard him and cracked up.
my dad, dementia not withstanding, cracks me the frick up
my dad, dementia not withstanding, cracks me the frick up
Posted on 2/25/23 at 7:29 pm to Thracken13
Cocaine Bear beat Ant Man on Friday box office.
fricking Cocaine Bear....
fricking Cocaine Bear....
Posted on 2/25/23 at 7:35 pm to Jack Ruby
Cocaine Bear's 8.6 million includes roughly 3 million from Thursday preview screenings. Not trying to sugarcoat Quantumania's drop, but Cocaine Bear only beat it because of a quirk in how opening weekends are tabulated.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 12:11 am to RollTide1987
Always happy to see comic book movies fail. Maybe next time they’ll make movies for adults with brains
Posted on 2/26/23 at 5:13 am to RLDSC FAN
RDJ wanted $80m for a two picture deal and it was rejected. I don't think we see him as iron man again
Posted on 2/26/23 at 8:31 am to RLDSC FAN
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The MCU still has a very large and loyal fanbase, that's why they still have impressive openings. But they're losing the general audience. They're just putting out way too much content these days.
I think you've hit on one of the main issues.
You can put lots of content out and be successful, but that content has to be good, especially when you've already set that quality bar pretty high.
Instead, they've let that quantity overrule quality (this also happens in the comics, at one time Spiderman had 5 different titles running consecutively).
Posted on 2/26/23 at 9:24 am to RollTide1987
I’m not even a big Marvel fan and would personally love to see this model of moviemaking go extinct in favor of more creative and interesting big budget films ala the 80’s thru early 00’s.
That said people writing the MCU’s obituary will probably look as silly as people claiming Ultron and such was the beginning of the end for Marvel.
It seems pretty obvious imo
- Oversaturation of the brand
- Oversaturation of the brand with mostly lesser quality properties and a number of lower quality works
- Oversaturation of the brand with mostly lesser quality of works and a new phase that has been both convoluted and slow to pick up momentum.
- Adjacent competitors like DC also pulling genre fans in their direction and serving as saturation.
Plus, it’s all just biding time until 2025 when they can introduce the X Men fully. They can royally frick up the next 2 years, but the moment they hit that X-Men button they are going to see people swarm back and give themselves a life preserver.
That said people writing the MCU’s obituary will probably look as silly as people claiming Ultron and such was the beginning of the end for Marvel.
It seems pretty obvious imo
- Oversaturation of the brand
- Oversaturation of the brand with mostly lesser quality properties and a number of lower quality works
- Oversaturation of the brand with mostly lesser quality of works and a new phase that has been both convoluted and slow to pick up momentum.
- Adjacent competitors like DC also pulling genre fans in their direction and serving as saturation.
Plus, it’s all just biding time until 2025 when they can introduce the X Men fully. They can royally frick up the next 2 years, but the moment they hit that X-Men button they are going to see people swarm back and give themselves a life preserver.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 9:36 am to Bronc
And I think the average moviegoer is kind of spent on this whole “multiverse” stuff. It was a nice little novelty but now it’s just lazy.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 12:16 pm to RollTide1987
frick Disney and the M-she-U
This post was edited on 2/26/23 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 2/26/23 at 12:32 pm to hawgfaninc
Should have took a break after end game
Maybe keep Spider-Man
But otherwise a reboot was needed
Maybe keep Spider-Man
But otherwise a reboot was needed
Posted on 2/26/23 at 12:37 pm to Bronc
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Plus, it’s all just biding time until 2025 when they can introduce the X Men fully. They can royally frick up the next 2 years, but the moment they hit that X-Men button they are going to see people swarm back and give themselves a life preserver.
You are way overestimating the appeal of the X-Men at this point. That franchise wrecked itself with it's followers way before the MCU. It's not like it finished on a high note. And with the way Marvel has been hell-bent on destroying its own properties since Endgame, no one who is an X-Men fan (let's face it, there is little chance it is going to keep its name X-Men) can look confidently at how Marvel is going to revive their damaged franchise.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 1:51 pm to SoFla Tideroller
Nah, Deadpool 3 with Wolverine is expected to push nearly 1 billion as an R-rated film.
And I said X-Men is their life preserver, not a guaranteer of revitalization to its highest peak. If they frick it up with casting and story, it will just be a nail in the coffin for Feige. There will simply be no way for him to survive an MCU where they screw up X-Men.
But when Spider-Man still pulls in over a Billion, a well cast and well produced X-Men will absolutely cover up a lot of warts of Phase 4 and possibly Phase 5.
And I said X-Men is their life preserver, not a guaranteer of revitalization to its highest peak. If they frick it up with casting and story, it will just be a nail in the coffin for Feige. There will simply be no way for him to survive an MCU where they screw up X-Men.
But when Spider-Man still pulls in over a Billion, a well cast and well produced X-Men will absolutely cover up a lot of warts of Phase 4 and possibly Phase 5.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 3:02 pm to Bronc
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Bronc
Nah, Deadpool 3 with Wolverine is expected to push nearly 1 billion as an R-rated film.
According to who? I think hitting a billion is very difficult right now
I agree with you about the Xmen. Marvel is very lucky they got them and the fantastic four back.
This post was edited on 2/26/23 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 2/27/23 at 3:24 am to RLDSC FAN
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I agree with you about the Xmen. Marvel is very lucky they got them and the fantastic four back.
I think it was very unlucky for both those franchises. Marvel refuses to admit their current philosophy is destroying their IPs. They will not change their approach with either of these franchises and will kill them off, too. In fact, I'm not sure the timing could have been worse for X-Men or FF.
Posted on 2/27/23 at 7:56 am to SoFla Tideroller
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They will not change their approach with either of these franchises and will kill them off, too. In fact, I'm not sure the timing could have been worse for X-Men or FF.
I think there was even mutant fatigue at Fox. The New Mutants and Dark Phoenix lost money. Outside of Deadpool, there is little excitement for the future of the franchise.
From a financial standpoint, few of them were homeruns - obviously Deadpool 1 and 2 were huge returns, ~$1.5b worldwide on a combined budget of under $200m.
Only Days of Future Past got close to a Deadpool gross and it was a bloated $200m budget on its own (they were losing an arms race to Marvel/Disney at that point, but still). Logan was a good return, but it was about as low-key as you can do a "super hero" film. Apocalypse, The Last Stand and The Wolverine all made decent profits, but the rest barely moved the needle or were written off.
13 movies, grossing $6b globally on about $1.750b production budget, BUT 1/4 of that gross is from Deadpool 1 & 2. The other 11 films cost about $1.5b and grossed $4.5b, with the bottom 5 grossers barely clipping $1 1/3b on $700m combined budgets.
This post was edited on 2/27/23 at 8:10 am
Posted on 2/27/23 at 8:01 am to SoFla Tideroller
What's ironic is that several years ago, everyone was saying "if only the MCU could get X-Men and the FF- they'd make it the product it deserves to be." But now, the MCU is just as likely- if not more so- to F it up.
Posted on 2/27/23 at 8:47 am to 50_Tiger
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Nobody really cares about these B-Tier (Outside of Kang) players.
This. I was a comic nerd back in the 80’s and couldn’t care less about the headliners for these movies. They’ve cycled through the Top Tier characters now and we’re left with a bunch of unknowns or secondary heroes.
Also, every movie doesn’t need to be some huge world ending CGI spectacle. The original Thor, Iron Man and Cap movies were smaller in scale and focused on development with good super hero moments. Now with all of the multiverse nonsense they created a universe that is a mess. Spider Man NWH was the only movie to use this effectively and it’s because they brought it to the personal level with the characters.
Every storyline can’t be the end of the world.
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