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re: 22 Years after the release of American History X- how do you feel about it ?
Posted on 3/25/20 at 8:21 am to Saint Alfonzo
Posted on 3/25/20 at 8:21 am to Saint Alfonzo
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Sorry, I don't follow the herd. Your insults won't change the fact that the movie you people love is a shallow piece of shite film, full of racial caricatures and stereotypes, with nothing of significance to say about race, despite that being the ostensible reason the film exists in the first place. A good performance by Ed Norton doesn't save something that was shite from the beginning. Even the director tried to have his name removed from it.
Exactly what I was saying earlier. If you don't like it, you don't like it. You do seem to be trying to have a gotcha you're racist moment with the why do "you people" watch a movie like this. Interpretation of "art" is up to the individual. No matter how much you don't like something, it doesn't give you the right to try to force your way of thinking on others.
We get it, you don't like it. No need to keep arguing your point. I wonder what you are trying to achieve by doing that.
This post was edited on 3/25/20 at 8:29 am
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Posted on 3/25/20 at 10:49 am to Saint Alfonzo
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. In a movie titled American History X, there should probably be some actual history pertaining to the film's subject matter, no?
Thanks for confirming that you either didn't watch the movie or had it on in the background while working on your needlepoint.
This post was edited on 3/25/20 at 11:03 am
Posted on 3/25/20 at 9:36 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Here's a question that maybe some of you who loved this film can answer. What makes a movie like this appealing? What is the attraction to it? More generally, why are you people drawn to the race film genre?
I think the movie was fairly well made.
It's a human redemption story. Something that would work with other central themes too.
The racism is obviously a big part of this movie, but the racial hatred is not WHY the movie was a good one.
Derek wasn't portrayed as racist just for the sake of racism.
His father planted the first seeds in him. Then a traumatic event shot his hatred through the stratosphere. And then a "mentor" manipulates and uses that hatred for his own power.
The movie shows his path into the darkest pits of hatred (murder).
It then takes on his path back into the light. It was a learning process for him.
He learned the hatred, and then throughout the movie he slowly un-learns it and begins to try to redeem himself.
To quote Derek himself when talking to his brother "its bullshite. all of it"
Then it ends with a very similar traumatic event and the open ended question of "how does Derek handle this one?"
Does he revert back to his darkness? Has he truly turned a corner and stays on correct path?
Posted on 3/25/20 at 9:37 pm to rebelrouser
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great movie should have used the original ending:
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The original film ends after Danny (Edward Furlong) is shot by a black student (whose brother was killed by Derek (Edward Norton) earlier in the film). In Kaye's version, after this we are taken to a scene in the family apartment where the detectives are trying to comfort Danny's grieving mother and sister. The camera then pans away and cuts to a scene in the bathroom. We see the sink filled with hair and an electric razor next to it. Derek is stood there with his head shaved - he stares in the mirror and looks at the swastika on his chest, before pulling out a pistol. The film ends on a shot of Derek's sick smile, the same smile we saw when he was arrested for his murders earlier in the film.'
interesting.
wonder if that was ever filmed and available as a deleted scene somewhere.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 9:44 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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How many neo Nazis do you know in real life? Because I've never met a single one, ever.
i mean the movie shows maybe 100 of them.
in the Los Angeles metro area (population over 13 million).
i don't think it's very far fetched to find 100 members of any particular group in a city that size.
I mean plenty of movies show hot Asian Hookers.
i've never met a single one. ever.
Does that mean their existence is overstated?
Posted on 1/28/26 at 9:42 am to Lsupimp
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Thoughts
1998
27 years later. Where are we now?
Are race relations better or worse?
Did this film change anything?
I dont know any white people my entire life that had swatskias tattoos or been associated with anytype of Klan.
Posted on 1/28/26 at 9:55 am to Lsupimp
Still a great movie
Posted on 1/28/26 at 10:49 am to Sunnyvale
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This post was edited on 5/3/26 at 4:34 am
Posted on 1/28/26 at 10:59 am to Sam Quint
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This post was edited on 5/11/26 at 9:22 am
Posted on 1/28/26 at 11:33 am to Sam Quint
I may be unique, but I never took it that way. I always saw it as a commentary about how generally, even the most radicalized people started from a fairly rational and reasonable complaint that continuously got built on and built on until they became the extremist. Showing that no matter how extreme someone may be, they may actually have some valid complaints, but their actions and how they choose to deal with their issues is the biggest problem.
Posted on 1/28/26 at 12:02 pm to Sam Quint
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Derrick's dad's questioning of the change in curriculum is an entirely reasonable thing for a dad to do. What did they replace in the curriculum when they inserted Native Son, and why? that's an ok thing to question and talk about with this son. but then they tack on the "it's ngr bullshite" to invalidate the entire concept as racist.
I read this. I agree. It isnt racist to question Affirmative action, diversity quotas, HUD and everything that is race based. It shouldnt be tied to extremeism and Nazis.
Posted on 1/28/26 at 1:36 pm to Sam Quint
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Derrick's entire speech leading up to the trashing of the store was pretty fricking reasonable, but then they tie it to an attack on a store to invalidate the entire thing.
Derrick's dad's questioning of the change in curriculum is an entirely reasonable thing for a dad to do. What did they replace in the curriculum when they inserted Native Son, and why? that's an ok thing to question and talk about with this son. but then they tack on the "it's ngr bullshite" to invalidate the entire concept as racist.
Its a subtle trick that Hollywood has been playing for a long time. Take a reasonable idea, and have the worst person in the world express it. The hope is that normal people will see it and think to themselves "Oh God, if a Nazi agrees with me, I must be wrong."
Posted on 1/28/26 at 2:34 pm to boxcarbarney
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a subtle trick that Hollywood has been playing for a long time. Take a reasonable idea, and have the worst person in the world express it. The hope is that normal people will see it and think to themselves "Oh God, if a Nazi agrees with me, I must be wrong
Jfc. The reasonable position is not reasonable. The last second nazi/racism framing isn't a quick addition, it is the frame. His position is not reasonable, because it comes from a place of bad faith. It is the goddamn point.
Challenging curriculum is not called into question in this film. Challenging curriculum from a starting point of racism is. How did some of you graduate from 8th grade?
Posted on 1/28/26 at 2:41 pm to Jay Are
Look at how angry you are 
Posted on 1/28/26 at 3:04 pm to Jay Are
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His position is not reasonable, because it comes from a place of bad faith.
I don't think this logic holds up. Someone can absolutely have a reasonable argument on something that they arrived at from a completely unreasonable starting point. Similarly, somone can have a completely unreasonable stance on something that they arrived at from a completely reasonable starting point.
Posted on 1/28/26 at 3:22 pm to Jay Are
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Jfc. The reasonable position is not reasonable. The last second nazi/racism framing isn't a quick addition, it is the frame. His position is not reasonable, because it comes from a place of bad faith. It is the goddamn point.
Challenging curriculum is not called into question in this film. Challenging curriculum from a starting point of racism is. How did some of you graduate from 8th grade?
wow, you're literally exemplifying the exact phenomenon that i just explained.
yes, nazi/racism is the frame IN THE MOVIE and yes it comes from a place of bad faith with a starting point of racism IN THE MOVIE
it's taking a reasonable position that many of us hold or agree with IN REAL LIFE and then tack it onto a despicable character IN A MOVIE to make appear unreasonable, which is my exact fricking point.
frick dude, have a little self awareness.
This post was edited on 1/29/26 at 8:29 am
Posted on 1/28/26 at 8:43 pm to Saint Alfonzo
why are you people drawn to the race film genre?
Posted on 1/28/26 at 8:49 pm to Lsupimp
Probably the most technically perfect directing and editing I have ever seen in a film
Posted on 1/28/26 at 8:53 pm to Sunnyvale
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I dont know any white people my entire life that had swatskias tattoos or been associated with anytype of Klan
Whatever. Next thing you know you are going to claim you don't know about the secret handshake or the ritual lynchings.
CRAZY bump by the way.
Posted on 1/28/26 at 10:21 pm to Sunnyvale
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I dont know any white people my entire life that had swatskias tattoos or been associated with anytype of Klan.
I did in high school. Skinheads were visible at most small club rock shows I went to in Houston in the 90's.
Not so much anymore.
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