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Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:42 am to LesGeaux45
God i hate lawyers watching this show. 
Posted on 5/25/18 at 7:06 am to Froman
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Ready for another season of the show that taught teenagers suicide was the way to go.
The sad thing is this isn't far from the truth. The show has a very fricked up representation of a suicidal person, that misrepresents everything about the issue. And to top it off, they literally show the actual act.
The worst part is that they consulted with suicide experts who told them how dangerous it is to put this representation out there, and they completely ignored them. Suicide is one issue that has to be handled VERY carefully when represented on screen.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 7:15 am to Scruffy
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t did. I watched the show. It was pretty good, but it did romanticize the idea that there can be justice in suicide. It pushes the idea that the individual can have control after they commit suicide. The main character controlled everyone’s lives after she killed herself. IMO, it is not a show for teenagers/adolescents.
It really shouldn't be for anybody. It can have the same effect on adults who might be contemplating suicide.
But you're absolutely right that it does romanticize the idea. The whole point this show tries to make is that EVERYONE ELSE was responsible for the girl's suicide. And the story is about the girl trying to tell everyone it's your fault I did this.
That is the completely wrong message to put out there about suicide.
1) That's not how most people feel when contemplating suicide or attempting and
2) It doesn't matter what the person has been through, or endured at the hands of others... in the end, the decision to end their life is theirs, and theirs alone. When a person decides to end their life, they are actively making their own choice. It doesn't matter how much you argue that this or that person treated them horribly... it still doesn't put those people at fault.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 5:55 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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i've seen all kinds of isis execution videos, people getting shot, beheaded, etc...
Should we be worried about you?
Posted on 5/25/18 at 6:57 pm to pioneerbasketball
"Let's take down the system"
Posted on 5/25/18 at 7:50 pm to red_giraffe
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The show has a very fricked up representation of a suicidal person, that misrepresents everything about the issue.
Responsibility of the decision to share it aside, this is absurd.
I’ve known an individual that could have been a clone of Hannah (she did not commit the act, but suffered in much the same way and had many of the same mannerisms).
Not saying that the scenario should speak for all situations.....but I’m willing to bet you’ve never been confided to by any seriously suicidal individual either about their current feelings on the topic.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 7:54 pm to red_giraffe
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The whole point this show tries to make is that EVERYONE ELSE was responsible for the girl's suicide. And the story is about the girl trying to tell everyone it's your fault I did this.
The opposite was said explicitly by Hannah multiple times.
The points Scruffy made are 100% valid. And there is basis for what you are saying...except for the evidence that explicitly excludes it.
It seems like you lost someone to suicide and that’s why you feel so passionately militant about it. I’m sorry.
This post was edited on 5/25/18 at 8:56 pm
Posted on 5/25/18 at 8:46 pm to nicholastiger
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I find it hard to believe that one high school has so many issues. And don't even get me started on the parents in this show, although parents today are worse than some of the kids. These kids haven't had one decent day of high school.
It is literally the most cynical view of high school I’ve ever seen portrayed in my life. Everybody is a complete a-hole to each other, teachers are non existent, parents are complete pushovers. If this was actually how high school was we would’ve all came out with severe issues.
It’s also ridiculous how they portray the “jocks”. The baseball coach protects his rapist player and goes after the school counselor over it. It’s absolute lunacy the way adults act in the show.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 12:08 am to pioneerbasketball
Spoilers
The season overall was a slow burn. Nothing interesting happen until the last 3-4 episodes. Season 1 was very suspenseful, each episode had you mind blown while the story kept building. There were a couple of thoughts I had while watching this season. If Jessica would of actually came out her first time in court, they could of ended the case without the stupid ending buildup. Thought a shootout would be an interesting approach for season 3 topic, cuz the show has to go somewhere for season 3.
The season overall was a slow burn. Nothing interesting happen until the last 3-4 episodes. Season 1 was very suspenseful, each episode had you mind blown while the story kept building. There were a couple of thoughts I had while watching this season. If Jessica would of actually came out her first time in court, they could of ended the case without the stupid ending buildup. Thought a shootout would be an interesting approach for season 3 topic, cuz the show has to go somewhere for season 3.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 12:20 am to CP3forMVP
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That scene with Porter on the stand was the highlight of the season
Spoilers
This might be the only impactful moment of the entire season. Everything else was useless flashbacks, love stories that made no sense. Clay and Hannah is the main love story of the show, even though Zach and Hannah is the most interesting and real love story. Jessica is still drooling over the junkie who I think got the entire Hannah suicide thing rolling, then let Jessica herself get raped.
I don’t get the Clay thing at all. The kid is clearly emotionally unstable, and filled with jealous rage. He was a pathological liar throughout the season. The season is built around this nut job talking to a dead girl he kissed one time.
Then the show bailed out on the one thing that kept me watching til the end. No shooting, and no small moment of Tyler telling someone what happened to him.
As someone else pointed out, every parent in this show is a disaster. The show also tries to paint a picture that only Mrs. Baker and Clay really cared about Hannah, which is stupid. This season reminded me of the awfulness that was season 2 of Broadchurch.
This post was edited on 5/26/18 at 12:27 am
Posted on 5/26/18 at 12:56 am to pioneerbasketball
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Posted on 5/26/18 at 3:46 am to Volvagia
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I’m willing to bet you’ve never been confided to by any seriously suicidal individual either about their current feelings on the topic.
Nah, I just worked at a suicide hotline for four years but didn't speak to a single suicidal caller the entire time.
This post was edited on 5/26/18 at 5:57 am
Posted on 5/26/18 at 4:07 am to Volvagia
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It seems like you lost someone to suicide and that’s why you feel so passionately militant about it. I’m sorry.
I want you to know that I truly do appreciate your response here. Thankfully, I have not lost someone to suicide. I am a little passionately militant about it, and that's because I've worked with suicidal people working on crisis hotline, and in a hospital. Part of that entails learning a lot about the research on suicide, and how it effects other people around.
This article hits the major points as to why the show poses a risk. LINK
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About a month before the release of "13 Reasons Why," Dan Reidenberg said he was contacted by Netflix and asked to provide guidance. Reidenberg, a psychologist, is the executive director of Suicide Awareness Voices of Education, a national organization. He said he told Netflix that they shouldn't go ahead with the project.
"But that wasn't an option," Reidenberg said. "That was made very clear to me."
Netflix. in a statement, said the series has helped teens discuss difficult topics, from suicide to rape.
"We've heard from our members that '13 Reasons Why' has opened up a dialogue among parents, teens, schools and mental health advocates around the intense themes and difficult topics depicted in the show," the statement reads.
Netflix said it knew that the show covered sensitive topics, and so worked with mental health experts on the depictions in the show. That is also why the show has a TV-MA rating (kids under 17 shouldn't watch it), explicit warnings were added to the three most graphic episodes, and the show has an after-show episode, called "Beyond the Reasons."
"Entertainment has always been the ultimate connector and we hope that 13 Reasons Why can serve as a catalyst for conversation," Netflix said.
Despite the rating and warnings, the series, based on the best-selling book of the same name, is being binge-watched by kids as young as 8, Reidenberg said.
He said this week he put out a request to other suicide prevention professionals to let him know about "copycat" suicides or attempts spurred by the series. He said he continues to get overwhelming responses from around the nation.
Reidenberg said that while Netflix hopes that kids are watching the series with their parents and talking about suicide (and rape and drug use, which are also depicted in the show), that's largely not happening because of the way kids watch TV these days. They usually watch, alone, on a device, often binge-watching entire shows at once.
"13 Reasons why" is well-done; the story-telling is dramatic and pulls kids in, while relating to them, Reidenberg said. That makes it more dangerous.
"I hear kids all over saying, 'The series portrayed my life,'" Reidenberg said. But it's not their lives, Reidenberg said, and suicide is not some glamorous solution. He doesn't want kids to see suicide as a choice the way the show's Hannah Baker did.
"Although it's created a conversation about suicide, it's not the right conversation," Reidenberg said. But now that the conversation is out there, Reidenberg and other suicide prevention experts are doing what they can to shape it.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 4:08 am to red_giraffe
Posted on 5/26/18 at 9:00 am to red_giraffe
I didn’t argue that 13 Reasons Why is a great idea from a public health standpoint.
I get the popularizing arguments. I get the glorifying arguments. I even get how they sidestepped certain counter arguments with elements that were weak.
What I commented on was the statement that no depressed, insecure, and eventually suicidal person ever can be realistically expected to feel/act like Hannah.
And your block of texts agrees with me:
I get the popularizing arguments. I get the glorifying arguments. I even get how they sidestepped certain counter arguments with elements that were weak.
What I commented on was the statement that no depressed, insecure, and eventually suicidal person ever can be realistically expected to feel/act like Hannah.
And your block of texts agrees with me:
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"I hear kids all over saying, 'The series portrayed my life,'" Reidenberg said
This post was edited on 5/26/18 at 11:06 am
Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:23 pm to pioneerbasketball
On a big binge session now. On ep. 8.. and I must say, besides obviously Bryce. Clay has to be one of the most unlikeable people on this whole show.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:56 pm to QJenk
Tyler, Marcus, Nina, and the useless sycophant Bryce wanna-be all come to mind.
Clay is too self absorbed and dramatic, but he is surrounded by so many shitty people to be called the most unlikeable. At least his heart is in the right place, even when he admits he doesn’t know for sure what is right.
Clay is too self absorbed and dramatic, but he is surrounded by so many shitty people to be called the most unlikeable. At least his heart is in the right place, even when he admits he doesn’t know for sure what is right.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 9:07 pm to QJenk
Bryce is actually pretty likeable, minus the raping.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 9:15 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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Bryce is actually pretty likable, mound the raping
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