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re: WNBA Star Erica Wheeler thinks you're all broke losers
Posted on 4/16/26 at 11:58 am to CarolinaGamecock99
Posted on 4/16/26 at 11:58 am to CarolinaGamecock99
Hey, looks like dawn..
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 11:59 am to ReauxlTide222
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The NHL has more than 1300 nationally televised games per season while the WMBA has 50-60.
WNBA will have 125+ under the new TV deal, viewership has hit record highs as well. Of course the deal is gonna be way more money than the old deal.
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It doesn’t seem fair to only count US viewers for the NHL given how popular it is in other countries.
And Canada sees 2-4 more million viewers per NHL game.
The NHL has separate tv rights for Canada, a 12-year, $11 billion CAD extension with Rogers Communications in Canada (through 2038).
I compared their US TV deal to the WNBA deal because the numbers were US viewers.
I really find it funny that people try to convince themselves that the WNBA is the only sports league in the world where the owners are getting screwed. The owners just collected $500 million in franchise fees for one season. This isn't a charity to them. They are making money on tickets, concessions, franchise fees, and all sorts of shite.
I don't understand why anyone would go to a WNBA game but I'm not naive enough to think the owners are losing their asses off and still agreed to give the players an almost 4x pay increase.
This post was edited on 4/16/26 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 4/16/26 at 12:03 pm to sgallo3
But if the networks lose money on these deals.
And the deal is partly/mostly just the NBA making a deal and donating to the WNBA.
And the NBA markets the WNBA and supports them operationally.
How can we say the WNBA is making money and the players deserve a raise?
And the deal is partly/mostly just the NBA making a deal and donating to the WNBA.
And the NBA markets the WNBA and supports them operationally.
How can we say the WNBA is making money and the players deserve a raise?
Posted on 4/16/26 at 12:04 pm to sgallo3
quote:I figured this is what you were doing. And it makes sense.
The NHL has separate tv rights for Canada, a 12-year, $11 billion CAD extension with Rogers Communications in Canada (through 2038). I compared their US TV deal to the WNBA deal because the numbers were US viewers.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 12:05 pm to ReauxlTide222
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How can we say the WNBA is making money and the players deserve a raise?
They are selling franchises at $250+ million a pop. Thats $1.5 billion alone they are gonna collect from last year til 2030.
2025: Golden State Valkyries (13th team, Western Conference).
2026: Portland Fire and Toronto Tempo (began roster construction in April 2026).
2028: Cleveland (returning franchise).
2029: Detroit (returning franchise).
2030: Philadelphia.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 12:07 pm to sgallo3
quote:But they ARE losing their asses, aren’t they?
but I'm not naive enough to think the owners are losing their asses off and still agreed to give the players an almost 4x pay increase.
I think they are losing their asses.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 12:08 pm to sgallo3
quote:Are these owners going to be losing money?
They are selling franchises at $250+ million a pop. Thats $1.5 billion alone they are gonna collect from last year til 2030.
I think they are.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 12:14 pm to ReauxlTide222
buying a sports team is an investment.
Mark Davis bought the Aces for $2 million in 2021 and now the franchise valuation is over $300 million.
Steve Cohen purchased the New York Mets for $2.4 billion in November 2020, do you think he's made money?
The Mets team reported an EBITDA (Earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization) of -$213 million, indicating high operational costs.
Losing $213 million per year but the Mets valuation is now $3.5 billion
Mark Davis bought the Aces for $2 million in 2021 and now the franchise valuation is over $300 million.
Steve Cohen purchased the New York Mets for $2.4 billion in November 2020, do you think he's made money?
The Mets team reported an EBITDA (Earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization) of -$213 million, indicating high operational costs.
Losing $213 million per year but the Mets valuation is now $3.5 billion
This post was edited on 4/16/26 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 4/16/26 at 12:23 pm to tiggerthetooth
Erica Wheeler - sounds like a random generated name in some EA Sports game.
But her favorite word seems to be "like". Like, by a lot.
But her favorite word seems to be "like". Like, by a lot.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 12:30 pm to sgallo3
Idk if that helps your point though.
The Fever with their out of the ordinary interest due to Clark and racism saw $34M in operational revenue.
The Mets saw $553M in revenue.
Their issues are with payroll decisions.
Is it accurate to say the athletes are the only ones making money in the WNBA? Networks aren’t. Owners aren’t. NBA isn’t.
Is that accurate?
The Fever with their out of the ordinary interest due to Clark and racism saw $34M in operational revenue.
The Mets saw $553M in revenue.
Their issues are with payroll decisions.
Is it accurate to say the athletes are the only ones making money in the WNBA? Networks aren’t. Owners aren’t. NBA isn’t.
Is that accurate?
Posted on 4/16/26 at 12:34 pm to TheOcean
quote:As deserved as it is, this isn't realistically possible going forward. Women's sports isn't a business anymore. It's shifted into a social cause and there are too many rich people willing to share the subsidization mantle with the NBA, if not eventually take it over entirely
WNBA will go bankrupt soon enough.
The investments we're now seeing (ownership stakes at $200-500m valuations, $150-250m+ expansion fees) aren't because some funds and billionaires woke up and said "wow, this is going to be a great investment." The people that have been buying these absurd stakes in WNBA/NWSL teams are among the most conservative / skeptical investors on planet earth. They are quite aware of the obvious realities: that WNBA growth is just 1 person, that women's teams will never be good viewing to most sports fans, that its (limited) fans do not make the heavy financial investment of traditional sports fans, etc.
They still invest because even if financial returns don't follow, they still get returns - social goodwill. It's quasi-philanthropy. In some cases, it's as simple as a billionaire's wife wants in on a women's sports team
The WNBA may genuinely never turn a profit, but insolvency isn't possible if there are people with $ willing to continue to subsidize it for clout and tax losses they can use elsewhere
This post was edited on 4/16/26 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 4/16/26 at 12:37 pm to ReauxlTide222
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The Fever with their out of the ordinary interest due to Clark and racism saw $34M in operational revenue.
The Mets saw $553M in revenue.
Fever payroll = $7.5 million, 22% of their revenue
Mets payroll = $358.4 million + $124.1 Luxury tax = $482.5 million, 87% of their revenue.
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Is it accurate to say the athletes are the only ones making money in the WNBA? Networks aren’t. Owners aren’t. NBA isn’t.
Is that accurate?
No, the only one losing money is "the WNBA"
The owners get their check, the NBA gets their check (payroll doesn't come out the NBA 42%, the investors get their check (For quite a few teams the owner gets all 3). The league is in the hole, not the owners. The owners split the franchise fees.
13 teams, league lost $50 million = -$3.8 million per team.
13 ownership groups split $500 million in franchise fees this year and $750 million if you add last years Valkyrie = +$57 million per group
also you have to remember these billionaires all have accountants. They aren't trying to show a profit.
This post was edited on 4/16/26 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 4/16/26 at 1:28 pm to tiggerthetooth
She made up an imaginary world where people know who she is and are jealous of her 
Posted on 4/16/26 at 1:35 pm to sgallo3
Aren’t you a follower of Aaron Rupar on Twitter?
Posted on 4/16/26 at 1:44 pm to NIH
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NIH
Heres the attention you need
Posted on 4/16/26 at 1:46 pm to NIH
Hey, leave politics off this board.
Unless we’re making fun of MJ fans.
Unless we’re making fun of MJ fans.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 2:01 pm to sgallo3
Just drawing attention to one of our resident centrists
Posted on 4/16/26 at 2:02 pm to sgallo3
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sgallo3
The WNBA is a function of the NBA. It's value is based on the value of the NBA and the willingness of the NBA to subsidize it.
We live in a world where there is real value in DEI and the social costs of not promoting a woman's league.
The TV deal is a number that is based on the NBA's tv value.
Financially, the WNBA makes no sense. It's not accounting tricks. The league doesn't make money. The expansion is a function of this social justice value.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 2:33 pm to tiggerthetooth
I hope you and the other pansies are ok after reading her twitter.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 2:33 pm to moneyg
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The TV deal is a number that is based on the NBA's tv value.
Did you miss where it gets double the viewers per game compared to the NHL?
NHL has a billion dollar per year US tv deal with half the viewers per game.
The WNBA is getting 200 million per year.
Just rough math 1/10th of the games at 2x the viewers and the 1/5th money per year checks out. (especially since the WNBA deal was signed much later and the money on these things always goes up.)
It seems like you are in denial that some people actually watch the WNBA and the league is gonna generate between $350-550 million in revenue next year.
Im not a fan of the WNBA or Logan Paul but someone is watching and that does generate revenue.
This post was edited on 4/16/26 at 2:41 pm
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