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re: Will there ever be another Tony Gwynn?

Posted on 2/23/23 at 7:58 am to
Posted by Cajunhawk81
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 7:58 am to
Not with these spin rates.
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:10 am to
I wonder how TG would have done today with the glut of power arms in the game. he would have no doubt had higher slugging numbers but I wonder if he would have higher Ks too just from being occasionally outmatched by a 98/99 mph pitch

I know he saw heat in his day, just wondering if the higher volume of heat would have made a difference to him good or bad. Higher speed fastballs tend to be straighter, he may have simply crushed pitching today. Looking at the numbers versus Maddux/Glavine etc he effectively handled low 90s with movement

we watched a lot of west coast baseball and a lot of Gwynn, the only way to really strike him out was have him incorrectly guessing speed. You really didnt blow it by him unless he was just looking for off speed and got busted.

The one pitcher Tony Gwynn could not hit

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Frank DiPino spent more than a decade in the big leagues, and he pitched in more than 500 games. He was a hard-throwing lefty and useful out of the bullpen, his best seasons coming with the Astros, Cubs, and Cardinals. He was never a LOOGY, but he was a situational lefty, which is what they called the wrong-handed middle relievers in those days. One year in Houston, DiPino saved 20 games.

But Frank may have been in the majors for one reason and one only: to get out one of the best hitters in history.

Tony Gwynn won eight batting titles and hit .300 in 19 of his 20 major league seasons. He had a swing that made pitchers cry themselves to sleep. He had a special knack for hitting screaming line drives between third and shortstop. Gwynn hit .429 against the best pitcher of his generation, who might have been the best pitcher of all-time. .429!

But Tony Gwynn couldn’t hit Frank DiPino.

Who the hell is Frank DiPino? Sounds like a character from The Sopranos.

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Posted by Tiger Ugly
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 12:28 pm to
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A big part of K rates now is the pitching being faced as well, not just the hitter’s approach in a vacuum. I think it’s unlikely we ever see K rates that low for a large sample size hitter again


Agreed - the launch angle/analytical side of swinging for the fences is part of it no doubt, but pitching is better, velocity is better, spin rate is better and specialization is more prevalent.
Posted by SuperOcean
Member since Jun 2022
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 12:41 pm to
Tony Gwynn is my favorite player.

A cards fan but watched a lot of TBS WGN... so it was always great when the Braves Cubs played STL or SD
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 12:47 pm to
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there aren't many guys like a Gwynn who will contort themselves to put the bat on the ball.
Gwynn also wasnt facing 97 mph wipeout sliders that dot the edge
Posted by RoscoeHarper
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 1:02 pm to
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Maybe, but the same analytics LOVE OBP. Gwynn would be the guy that uses the shifts to hit .500


No one would shift against him. That would be stupid.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 1:47 pm to
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Gwynn also wasnt facing 97 mph wipeout sliders that dot the edge



Tony Gwynn was 1 for 12 in his career against the Big Unit.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 1:48 pm to
No because he's dead.
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:47 pm to
If you hit .415 against Maddux with over 100 AB you are a damn good hitter. Always liked tony. Taken from us way too soon.
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:56 pm to
Tony won 8 batting titles and hit over 300 in 19 of 20 seasons….

Let this sink in for a minute…
Posted by texn
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 4:25 pm to
I thought there was already another Tony Gwynn

Posted by lake2280
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 4:28 pm to
They wouldn’t shift for Gwynn come on man.
Posted by tiggerfan02 2021
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:44 pm to
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They wouldn’t shift for Gwynn come on man.




No they would not.
And he would continue to do what he always did...
hit 'em where they ain't.


Maybe the best pure hitter of all time.
The only others I would even consider in his league would be Ty Cobb and Pete Rose.
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:28 pm to
Rogers Hornsby was a beast. As was Rod Carew.
Posted by tiggerfan02 2021
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:49 pm to
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Rogers Hornsby was a beast. As was Rod Carew.



OK, so now we have our top 5.
Posted by SPEEDY
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:17 pm to
In 2,440 career games, Gwynn struck out 3 times in a game:

Once
Posted by sowega dawg
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 2/25/23 at 9:09 am to
There will never be another player with his strike out rate for sure
Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 2/25/23 at 9:44 am to
My guess is that neither the first name Anthony, nor the last name Gwynn are rare enough to eliminate the possibility of the combo existing again.

Though the existence of a famous person having that name, it can be argued, makes it less likely to occur without the intent of a tribute or acknowledgment.

Now his son Tony Gwynn has a son named Tony Gwynn, so my guess is it is VERY LIKELY we get another Tony Gwynn.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 2/25/23 at 9:48 am to
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In 2,440 career games, Gwynn struck out 3 times in a game:

Once

Posted by UltimaParadox
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 2/25/23 at 10:06 am to
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Tony Gwynn was 1 for 12 in his career against the Big Unit.


Also

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All-time strikeout leader Nolan Ryan struck out Gwynn the most times (nine) of any pitcher, but it took 67 matchups. Ryan struck out roughly 25% of the batters he faced, but Gwynn only 13.4% of the time.
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