re: Will any baseball slugger break Bonds' record and hit 800+ HR's?

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You don't think Mark McGwire, a comparable physical specimen, hit wall scraping home runs that were aided by his PED inflated strength?

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Of course he did

And there are times judge would too

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Ruth did not play against blacks... so what....

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I mean thats a pretty big deal

42.5% of MLB is non white

Imagine Trouts numbers if 43% of the majors were replaced by worse players

That's all easy to say but by the time African Americans could play they had new rules, ballparks, etc that made a few things more beneficial to the hitter.

Smaller parks because the home run was king, not allowing pitchers to throw certain types of pitches, I mean for every rule that favored one great player it hurt another and vice versa.

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I just disagree that pitchers have gotten better at a quicker pace than hitters and therefore is a reason why no one will ever hit 800 HRs

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It's definitely A reason. I didn't say it was the only reason. If you don't think the consistency with which hitter now face high velos is affecting things, I don't really know what to tell you.

ETA: Pitchers have gotten better at a quicker pace recently. I would argue that it's because they're playing catch up, but they've definitely improve at a more rapid rate lately.

Well Ruth’s counterparts that were pitching to him also didn’t have the nutrition

So not sure how that really makes a point


Looks, the fact a segment of the population that makes up 43% of today’s mlb was g allowed to play is a valid and material argument against Ruth

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Well Ruth’s counterparts that were pitching to him also didn’t have the nutrition

So not sure how that really makes a point

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how about the dead balls comparative to today? I see you didn't address the equipment aspect.

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Looks, the fact a segment of the population that makes up 43% of today’s mlb was g allowed to play is a valid and material argument against Ruth

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and there are also valid counter-arguments of other aspects where Ruth was at a disadvantage. And would today's MLB be made up of 43% non-white players if the best athletes chose to play baseball instead of other sports? White people still make up almost 80% of the population in this country. And if it was such an advantage for Ruth, why weren't his white counter-parts able to dominate like he did or even close to it?

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Why do you think the penalties are severely different?

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Because they (media/fans) didn’t nor care the advantages or what it ultimately was doing to their body.

The steroids issues were witchhunts. And there was not a morality issue until about 1998

Today, that includes anyone not-white. However, in the 70's and before MLB was still basically white. You had a few Latinos but not many. Bonds would have played against the highest percentage of people of color, thus is record should be the true record.

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Looks, the fact a segment of the population that makes up 43% of today’s mlb was g allowed to play is a valid and material argument against Ruth

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blacks make up less than 8% of MLB roster, lower than the total population. 43% of baseball is non white, and non whites were allowed to play, blacks weren't.

Jim Thorpe, an Indian, played half dozen years in the league, same time as Ruth. Big Chief Bender, a Hall of Famer, pitched for 22 years. Baldomero Almada the first Mexican born player, signed with the Red Sox in '33

The first Latin player was Lou Castro, Colombian, played for the A's in 1902. The first Cubans came into the league in 1911.

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"They were presented to the public as, 'He’s not black; he’s Cuban.' 'He’s not black; he’s Puerto Rican,'" Burgos said.

"Latinos who made it into the major leagues are not welcomed as fellow whites. They are welcomed as not black."

Early on, both players and managers recognized how flexible the color line was when it came to Latinos, and they tried their best to take advantage of it. Take the New York Cuban Giants, a team made up entirely of African-Americans who, legend has it, would speak gibberish to each other on the field in the hopes of convincing crowds that they weren’t black but rather Cuban.

Then there's the story of the manager who plotted to send black players down to Cuba, have them learn Spanish and bring them back to try pass them off as authentically Latino.

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