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re: Will any baseball slugger break Bonds' record and hit 800+ HR's?
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:06 am to kciDAtaE
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:06 am to kciDAtaE
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More HRs were hit last year than any other season in history
And spread out over more players. I'm talking about individual high totals, not the league as a whole.
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Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:07 am to lsufball19
quote:Uh, because it is an opinion?
It's is 100% conjecture, cannot be proven right or wrong, but it seems to be what you want to hang your hat on. Wonder why.
I am sorry I can't prove my opinion right or wrong
I have never stated it is a fact you turd
This post was edited on 7/16/18 at 11:13 am
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:10 am to lsupride87
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Well you really havent shown be any evidence that adderal or other amphetamines dont help
And I never said they wouldn’t help, but you’re comparing them to HGH.
quote:
think in unique cases, when you already have a very strong player, amphetamines can increase homerun numbers more than giving steroids to that said playe
And this is why we’re laughing at you. No one is misconstruing what you are saying. This is what you are actually saying
Why would Aaron Judge be any different than anyone else?
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:10 am to shel311
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But fwiw, I believe Aaron had his 3 nest HR per ABs in the same age range, so what would his explanation be?
eh maybe, it wasn't some drastic jump, though. Aaron had his career best, yes, when he was 37, but he didn't replicate that season for three more years either and it wasn't a huge bump like Bonds' was. I think that was more a statistical variance than empirical proof he was "cheating." Aaron was the "home run king" because he played 23 seasons of MLB baseball, was fortunate never to miss significant time until his late 30s-40s and was a steady performer. He was never the guy hitting bombs and wowing people with his unmatched power. he only led the league in home runs 4 times in his 23 year career. He just played forever.
This post was edited on 7/16/18 at 11:12 am
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:12 am to Prominentwon
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HGH. But the subject is PEDs. Which both are PEDs. HGH. But the subject is PEDs. Which both are PEDs.
Why do you think the penalties are severely different?
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:12 am to lsupride87
quote:
Uh, because it is an opinion?
exactly...But most people back up their opinions with something measurable, otherwise your opinion holds little to no value. For instance, we can take many players who were busted for steroids/HGH/etc and show what their numbers looked like before they used and what they looked like after. Can you do that with amphetamines? You're the one saying you think that for some they help MORE than steroids. Can you state why, using any data, to back up that opinion? You seem to have a very arrogant tone with your posts and very dismissive of anyone arguing your point yet can't provide anything more than "well it's my opinion." Yes, that's kind of the point bud. Opinions with no basis for that opinion makes said opinion worthless in an argument. I could say it's my opinion that players who chew bubble gum gain a competitive advantage. Prove me wrong.
This post was edited on 7/16/18 at 11:17 am
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:18 am to lsupride87
quote:I will fight you
Adderal is more available and taken now more than any time in history
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:18 am to Lester Earl
quote:Ok, this will be long, but it will highlight my thought process
Why would Aaron Judge be any different than anyone else?
A home run is a home run. If the fence is 330 ft, a 331 ft homerun and a 390 ft homerun all count the same
So increasing the distance due to more strength of balls that already would have left the park is a moot point. The added strength comes into play when it turns a ball hit 324 ft into a ball hit 337 ft etc etc
Another thing that helps players hit homeruns is his mental ability to recongzie a pitch and make solid contact
Ok, we got that out of the way
It is certain steroids will help the strength of a player. For most players, the additional strength they are given from steroids will far outweigh any positive mental effects amphetamines give them
However, for the unique player like Judge, I think there becomes a point of diminishing returns where the mental benefits from amphetamines will outweigh the additional power he is given from steroids
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:21 am to lsufball19
quote:I cant
I could say it's my opinion that players who chew bubble gum gain a competitive advantage. Prove me wrong.
I would simply say I disagree
quote:I literally have only said my opinion, while others call me a dumbass and post laughing emojis at me
You seem to have a very arrogant tone with your posts and very dismissive of anyone arguing
You are simply reading whatever tone is in your head on this. It hasnt been me that have downgraded others opinions
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:23 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:Hopefully you arent on adderal or you will likely destroy me
I will fight you
I am only on simple HGH
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:26 am to mountaintop
Griffey without injuries was going to shatter career records and he's never really been linked to PEDs.
So its possible...
So its possible...
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:29 am to Prominentwon
quote:Of course.
Sorry, but regardless of what they did, there are many players that took drugs to get an edge. Don’t call the 90s players cheaters and act like 2 generations of baseball players before them were clean.
But y'all would have me believe that something like paying off the umps is equivalent to doctoring a baseball.
Both cheaters.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:32 am to ProjectP2294
quote:
I'm talking about individual high totals, not the league as a whole.
So the “better pitching” you referenced earlier only affects individual star players and not entire teams? That doesn’t make sense
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:35 am to lsupride87
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:41 am to shel311
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We just gloss over the fact that Aaron had some of his best/most powerful years at 5'11", 185 lbs..
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:42 am to kciDAtaE
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So the “better pitching” you referenced earlier only affects individual star players and not entire teams? That doesn’t make sense
The better pitching has affected the very top more than the rest of the league. You've also seen a shift in players at the bottom of the league selling out for HRs more than they have previously, elevating league-wide total while the numbers at the top haven't gone up.
Players in the past didn't face the consistent velocity the hitters do now.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:45 am to lsupride87
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So increasing the distance due to more strength of balls that already would have left the park is a moot point. The added strength comes into play when it turns a ball hit 324 ft into a ball hit 337 ft etc etc
if every ball Judge hit was a 420+ ft home run, then that may be a valid point. I have seen players like Bonds hit a ball off the end of the bat, breaking his bat, and the ball still went over the fence. You tell me if his using PEDs didn't help balls that would have otherwise fallen short go over the fence for home runs. If juicing helped 400 ft home runs go 450, then it also helped 350 ft pop flies carry that extra 20 feet for a home run. And you also say that like you know Judge isn't doing anything. I'm not about to say I know definitively a guy who is 6'7" 270 of solid muscle isn't doing anything shady.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:47 am to lsufball19
quote:Man, I am not being a dick, but look at what I typed out in the sentence you actually quoted of me
if every ball Judge hit was a 420+ ft home run, then that may be a valid point. I have seen players like Bonds hit a ball off the end of the bat, breaking his bat, and the ball still went over the fence. You tell me if his using PEDs didn't help balls that would have otherwise fallen short go over the fence for home runs. If juicing helped 400 ft home runs go 450, then it also helped 350 ft pop flies carry that extra 20 feet for a home run.
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The added strength comes into play when it turns a ball hit 324 ft into a ball hit 337 ft etc etc
This post was edited on 7/16/18 at 11:48 am
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:48 am to lsufball19
I generally assume every player in the major leagues is doing whatever they can to gain an advantage. Why wouldn't they?
That could mean PEDs, or foreign substances for pitchers, stealing signs, whatever it is.
That could mean PEDs, or foreign substances for pitchers, stealing signs, whatever it is.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:49 am to kciDAtaE
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So the “better pitching” you referenced earlier only affects individual star players and not entire teams? That doesn’t make sense
the biggest difference IMO is players are coached differently from a younger age. Hitters are coached to be home run hitters and not complete hitters. Pitchers are coached to throw hard and strike people out, not pitch to contact and be more effective pitchers overall. That's why we've seen strikeouts go up but ERAs go up as well. That's why we see home run totals up and batting averages down. It's just a different game now. I think players are more physically talented than they were years ago, with or without PEDs, but the game itself has changed. Players also play fewer games now than they used to, so your individual home run totals are not what they were. I still think players are cheating plenty fwiw, they're just being smarter about it now
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