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re: WHY ON EARTH Does the Media Believe the Latest Cover-Up (We Never Saw the Video)
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:12 am to graychef
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:12 am to graychef
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Willful ignorance is not a good excuse.
Which is exactly what they said when they gave Sean Payton a year long ban.
Also, the NFL likes to lie about what they have to the public. 50,000 pages= 150 ppt slides
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 9:14 am
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Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:29 am to lsutigers1992
I do not see how you can say definitively they saw the video. That is pure conjecture.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:31 am to LeonPhelps
The more probable scenario is that the video was not made available to the NFL at the time Goodell made his ruling and they decided to not pursue it further after the ruling was made. No doubt the NFL could have eventually obtained the video like TMZ did, but TMZ only just now obtained and released it. So the more likely assumption is that the NFL did not see this particular video before making its ruling.
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 9:32 am
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:41 am to lsutigers1992
The ONLY thing that can stop the NFL right now is litigation by former players re: injuries they received playing football.
Every team in the NFL had some form of "bounty" system. The Saints punishment was just an overreaching public example to show that the league was doing all it could to prevent head injuries. Why? Because there was a mass litigation suit by former players seeking billions of dollars in damages against the league. It was as much setting up a legal defense as it was punishing misconduct.
Here, I doubt (at least right now) that there will be any class actions filed against the NFL stemming from Ray Rice decking his wife on his own time. Those actions aren't going to bankrupt the league. Thus the reason for the initially (lenient) punishment. One situation threatened the sustainability of the business. The other did not.
Ultimately the NFL is nothing more than a big business. The decisions made by the league are based on one thing, and one thing only, protecting the league's bottom line.
Every team in the NFL had some form of "bounty" system. The Saints punishment was just an overreaching public example to show that the league was doing all it could to prevent head injuries. Why? Because there was a mass litigation suit by former players seeking billions of dollars in damages against the league. It was as much setting up a legal defense as it was punishing misconduct.
Here, I doubt (at least right now) that there will be any class actions filed against the NFL stemming from Ray Rice decking his wife on his own time. Those actions aren't going to bankrupt the league. Thus the reason for the initially (lenient) punishment. One situation threatened the sustainability of the business. The other did not.
Ultimately the NFL is nothing more than a big business. The decisions made by the league are based on one thing, and one thing only, protecting the league's bottom line.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:43 am to LeonPhelps
Im not going to speak on this matter but a situation similar.
I am a former Marine who once served with another Marine who got into a fight at a casino. He was a hulk like dude who beat the crap out of 3 Cops.
Somehow he was able to escape due to a mob forming around him watching what was going on.
They identified him through his ID scan on the way in and obviously through all the brawl pics. Police showed up to his base presented the video to our Commanding Officer and SgtMaj.
He was punished by both Military and the State.
This man signed a contract holding himself accountable by 2 governing bodies and therefore can be tried by 2 governing bodies.
A police report is always made available and just about anyone can get one which will describe in detail all accounts of what transpired. With video evidence that narrative is a bit easier to write and a lot more damning.
Due to the nature of what the NFL is and the power the NFL has...because children and millions of people are effected by its dealings much like the Military...excuse me if I dont think the tape was not made available to them. The NFL has is one of the most controlled companies in the world. Im calling BS.
I am a former Marine who once served with another Marine who got into a fight at a casino. He was a hulk like dude who beat the crap out of 3 Cops.
Somehow he was able to escape due to a mob forming around him watching what was going on.
They identified him through his ID scan on the way in and obviously through all the brawl pics. Police showed up to his base presented the video to our Commanding Officer and SgtMaj.
He was punished by both Military and the State.
This man signed a contract holding himself accountable by 2 governing bodies and therefore can be tried by 2 governing bodies.
A police report is always made available and just about anyone can get one which will describe in detail all accounts of what transpired. With video evidence that narrative is a bit easier to write and a lot more damning.
Due to the nature of what the NFL is and the power the NFL has...because children and millions of people are effected by its dealings much like the Military...excuse me if I dont think the tape was not made available to them. The NFL has is one of the most controlled companies in the world. Im calling BS.
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 9:46 am
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:46 am to partywiththelombardi
That is actually useful information, thank you
The OT says he is a hero
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beat the crap out of 3 Cops.
The OT says he is a hero
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 9:48 am
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:47 am to SG_Geaux
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they sat on this video and waited for football season to start
video was available this whole time. the police and rices lawyer even had it.
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 9:49 am
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:50 am to Mr Gardoki
How was the nfl going to get the video from anyone when they have no authority really obtain it?
Rice's attorney had it why? There was no discovery hearing was there? I thought he plead it down quickly.
Rice's attorney had it why? There was no discovery hearing was there? I thought he plead it down quickly.
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 9:51 am
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:54 am to sms151t
We don't ask those questions. If you don't blindly follow the msb then you have your head in the sand.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:03 am to sms151t
Again because their players are role models and effect children. Because his actions are punishable under NFL rules and contract. Ray Rice himself would have to submit the information to the NFL if they asked for it. Or he would risk tampering with the NFLs investigation.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:03 am to sms151t
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How was the nfl going to get the video from anyone when they have no authority really obtain it?
so it was unobtainable?
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:05 am to lsutigers1992
Peter King is on the Herd right now saying his source might have been wrong about the NFL seeing the video. He sounds like he's been up all night. LULZ
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:12 am to lsutigers1992
Louis Riddick ain't buying it 
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:26 am to DelU249
[quote]Why wouldn't the NFL refute...they respond to everything
Every damn thing, and within minutes too; it's impossible not to view the NFL's response to This scandal through the prism of Bountygate. We know exactly how they handle the negative Information that reporters or individuals bring to light. We watched them orchestrate their responses every day for months and months. They were unrelenting.
Peter King is Goodell's biggest cheerleader and his absolute go to guy to leak information that he wants leaked; the idea that Goodell didn't approve King's report that the NFL had seen the tape is just laughable.
No one followed Bountygate closer than Jeff Duncan, and no one is more familiar with Goodell's and the NFL's methods and tactics than Duncan. Can't prove it, but I believe he worked in conjunction with them to discredit Payton and to put as positive a spin on Goodell's actions as he could. He has plenty of inside NFL sources; as tepid as his column regarding the Rice scandal is, it's proof to me that the NFL, meaning Roger Goodell, knew exactly what was on that tape, but deliberately pushed the spin that the wife was just as culpable as Rice.
Every damn thing, and within minutes too; it's impossible not to view the NFL's response to This scandal through the prism of Bountygate. We know exactly how they handle the negative Information that reporters or individuals bring to light. We watched them orchestrate their responses every day for months and months. They were unrelenting.
Peter King is Goodell's biggest cheerleader and his absolute go to guy to leak information that he wants leaked; the idea that Goodell didn't approve King's report that the NFL had seen the tape is just laughable.
No one followed Bountygate closer than Jeff Duncan, and no one is more familiar with Goodell's and the NFL's methods and tactics than Duncan. Can't prove it, but I believe he worked in conjunction with them to discredit Payton and to put as positive a spin on Goodell's actions as he could. He has plenty of inside NFL sources; as tepid as his column regarding the Rice scandal is, it's proof to me that the NFL, meaning Roger Goodell, knew exactly what was on that tape, but deliberately pushed the spin that the wife was just as culpable as Rice.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:31 am to Ldrake53
I believe the NFL gives "implied" orders to journalists who either want the inside favor and extra access and to those who want to keep it
what's sad for jeff is if he bucked the system, screamed from the top of his lungs, he could have gotten some attention from blogs and writers taking a more objective approach
he could have made a name for himself, at least have gained a higher standing within the local organization
I have zero doubts, peter king is the kind of guy to come to heel on a direct order...fricking scumbag
what's sad for jeff is if he bucked the system, screamed from the top of his lungs, he could have gotten some attention from blogs and writers taking a more objective approach
he could have made a name for himself, at least have gained a higher standing within the local organization
I have zero doubts, peter king is the kind of guy to come to heel on a direct order...fricking scumbag
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:56 am to lsutigers1992
I view this as no harm no foul. Rice never played a down this season or received a paycheck yet since the incident. Goodell may have gotten it wrong initially but got it right eventually and the culture will be forever changed in the NFL as a result. So why the timing matter? It's done.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:59 am to LeonPhelps
doing the right thing because you're pressured to, isn't doing the right thing
this is bad for goodell on so many levels
morals, ethics, integrity, motivation
all in question
this is bad for goodell on so many levels
morals, ethics, integrity, motivation
all in question
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:02 pm to LeonPhelps
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I do not see how you can say definitively they saw the video. That is pure conjecture.
You can't. However, you can say that they SHOULD have seen the video. Furthermore, without any video somehow supporting her being the actual aggressor (clearly not the case), the 2 game ban should be derided.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:02 pm to DelU249
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all brought to light
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:05 pm to sms151t
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How was the nfl going to get the video from anyone when they have no authority really obtain it?
They could, at the very least, have asked the casino. If you notice, in both of their denials of having the tape, they have left out any mention of asking the casino for a copy. That is where they lose all credibility.
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