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re: WHY ON EARTH Does the Media Believe the Latest Cover-Up (We Never Saw the Video)
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:07 pm to LeonPhelps
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:07 pm to LeonPhelps
I can say that definitively he either saw it or willfully told the media he did...and willfully painted the picture that ray ray was getting the solange treatment and thus received a lighter punishment
unless every single NFL reporter conspired to lie at the same time...or all decided to print the same misinformation (they don't all have one singular source)
it's bullshite, he's lying
unless every single NFL reporter conspired to lie at the same time...or all decided to print the same misinformation (they don't all have one singular source)
it's bullshite, he's lying
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Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:08 pm to DelU249
The vast majority of people only do the right thing because they are pressured. I would say 100% of people only do the right thing because they are pressured, either by fear of God, social judgment, family acceptance, peer pressure, etc. So what does the source of why he did the right thing even remotely matter?
Again, no harm, no foul. It's not like this will happen again.
Again, no harm, no foul. It's not like this will happen again.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:08 pm to DelU249
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I can say that definitively he either saw it or willfully told the media he did...and willfully painted the picture that ray ray was getting the solange treatment and thus received a lighter punishment
unless every single NFL reporter conspired to lie at the same time...or all decided to print the same misinformation (they don't all have one singular source)
it's bullshite, he's lying
The whole country is giving Goodell the sniff test and universally gagging at the putrid odor they're encountering.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:09 pm to DelU249
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it's bullshite, he's lying
Again, who gives a shite. The right course of action was taken without Rice ever benefiting before then (no paycheck, no games).
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:09 pm to DelU249
Is the video available under FOIA request?
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:11 pm to LeonPhelps
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no paycheck
actually he still gets 9 million in dead money...
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:13 pm to partywiththelombardi
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actually he still gets 9 million in dead money...
That would have happened regardless of whether he was cut immediately a month ago or cut yesterday, so that is not relevant.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:14 pm to LeonPhelps
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The vast majority of people only do the right thing because they are pressured. I would say 100% of people only do the right thing because they are pressured, either by fear of God, social judgment, family acceptance, peer pressure, etc.
This is absolutely not true. I do not believe in god. When I stop on river road to help a turtle across the road, there is no society, family, or peers around to judge me. I do it because of a moral and ethical compass that lives inside of me.
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So what does the source of why he did the right thing even remotely matter?
Because this all points to him deliberately obfuscating the reality of the situation to "protect the shield." He is thus complicit in the cover-up of a brutal, immoral assault.
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Again, no harm, no foul.
There is no harm in supporting domestic abuse?
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It's not like this will happen again.
Without holding their feet to the fire, something similar is almost certain to happen again.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:15 pm to PuntBamaPunt
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Is the video available under FOIA request?
Probably not while the criminal case was open. Even after it was closed, I'm not sure. The casino is not a public entity, which is what FOIA covers. They could probably request it from the courts after the case was tried, though.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:16 pm to LeonPhelps
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Again, who gives a shite. The right course of action was taken without Rice ever benefiting before then (no paycheck, no games).
because he got busted red handed
that's the only reason Ray Rice isn't playing next week...TMZ
what else has he been lying about? bountygate, spygate, etc.
he's a slimy weasel ruining a product I love. frick him, I want him out. his behavior here is definitely grounds IMO...he smeared a victim of domestic abuse, he lied, he enabled a man who beats women, he's a TPOS and he's ruining the integrity of the league, and the quality of its product.
frick him
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:16 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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This is absolutely not true. I do not believe in god. When I stop on river road to help a turtle across the road, there is no society, family, or peers around to judge me. I do it because of a moral and ethical compass that lives inside of me.
1) I doubt seriously that you do that. 2) if you do, it is for your own benefit, not the turtles. You do it to feel better about yourself. You do it to feel like a good person. That is you putting pressure on yourself.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:17 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
Not sure of the law obviously, was basing it off the release of the Michael Brown video.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:18 pm to lsutigers1992
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We live in a world where TMZ is more trustworthy than the NFL. God help us.
This contradicts your post because TMZ said this morning the NFL did not attempt to even watch the video.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:18 pm to LeonPhelps
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1) I doubt seriously that you do that.
Congratulations on being wrong, bro.
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if you do, it is for your own benefit, not the turtles. You do it to feel better about yourself. You do it to feel like a good person. That is you putting pressure on yourself.
Congratulations on the asinine argument, bro.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:19 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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It's not like this will happen again.
People who commit domestic abuse are not really the types who only do it once...
if left unpunished (which he was...basically got off scott free initially) the behavior will repeat itself.
People dont do things publicly for the first time generally unless they are already comfortable doing it.
Rays mom was abused this may be something he grew up thinking was acceptable behind closed doors.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:20 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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if you do, it is for your own benefit, not the turtles. You do it to feel better about yourself. You do it to feel like a good person. That is you putting pressure on yourself.
Congratulations on the asinine argument, bro.
Your purposefully being obtuse if you think anyone does anything without incentive. You would not stop and help a turtle cross the road without some incentive to do it. No one on earth is selfless. Everyone acts out of incentive. This is fact. If you got nothing out of it, you wouldn't do it.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:20 pm to partywiththelombardi
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People who commit domestic abuse are not really the types who only do it once...
I was referring solely to the NFL taking the issue lightly.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:24 pm to LSUzealot
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This contradicts your post because TMZ said this morning the NFL did not attempt to even watch the video.
Do you really believe that? The team of lawyers and investigators that the NFL has on staff would know a few things here:
The Facts
1. They could legally ask the casino for a copy
2. While the police investigation is ongoing, the police are not going to turn over evidence to a third party
3. The police/prosecutor would be required to turn the evidence over to Rice's legal representation
4. The league could legally ask Rice to turn over the video
The Setup
With that, the league can "try" to get the video in a way that they know they will not receive it. Then, when the shite hits the fan, they can say that they asked the cops for it without actually lying.
The Crux
So, the only people they asked for a copy were the people that could not legally give it to them.
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:28 pm to LeonPhelps
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Your purposefully being obtuse if you think anyone does anything without incentive
1. You're
2. So, you're arguing that doing something because it's the right thing to do is fundamentally the same as doing something because you have been caught red-handed and receive universal scorn for your behavior? Who's being obtuse here?
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You would not stop and help a turtle cross the road without some incentive to do it. No one on earth is selfless. Everyone acts out of incentive. This is fact. If you got nothing out of it, you wouldn't do it.
Allowing an innocent creature to survive is incentive enough. Morality is an incentive. You have a very myopic view of morality.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:31 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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Morality is an incentive. You have a very myopic view of morality.
You need to dissect the source of that morality. You will find it all comes down to a) fear of judgment, or b) simply wanting to feel good about yourself. So all morality, at the end of the day, is driven by selfish goals.
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