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Why is SMU 11 and Clemson 12?

Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:07 am
Posted by Allthatfades
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:07 am
They just played and Clemson won.
Posted by dupergreenie
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:09 am to
Likely because Clemson has 1 more loss and SMU was ranked higher before they played.
Posted by KosmoCramer
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:10 am to
The same reason that Ohio State is seeded behind Penn State and Indiana.
Posted by Tshiz
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:17 am to
Bc the committee took a bag from SMU. That’s what this is all about
Posted by jb4
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:19 am to
SMU @ Texas would have made too much sense
Posted by Epic Cajun
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:35 am to
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They just played and Clemson won.

I'm not certain how many times this needs to be stated, but going into the weekend SMU was ranked 8th and Clemson was ranked 17th. Do you think that winning on a last second field goal should move Clemson up 6 spots in the polls?

Clemson isn't actually ranked 12th, they are ranked 16th, but the CFP rules say that the 5th highest ranked conference champion will be slated at 12th. SMU is ranked 10th, but pushed down to the 11th spot because Arizona State got the 4th seed due to being the 4th highest ranked conference champion.

Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 10:23 am to
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but the CFP rules say that the 5th highest ranked conference champion will be slated at 12th.
that guy from the other day has you repeating this incorrect line. That is IF they are ranked below 12, otherwise they just get which ever seed they fall to.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 10:31 am to
It's really not that hard to understand.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 10:33 am to
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Clemson isn't actually ranked 12th, they are ranked 16th, but the CFP rules say that the 5th highest ranked conference champion will be slated at 12th.


Amazing how many people still don't get this. If the 5th-ranked conference champ is outside of the top 12, they push out the #12 team.

If the 4th and 5th conference champs are outside the top 12 they will push out 11 & 12 and the higher-ranked of the two will get a bye.

Theoretically, if all 5 conference champs were outside the top 12, you could displace 5 teams and have 4 teams with byes who aren't in the top 12. That will never happen but it is theoretically possible,
Posted by OhioLSUfan
Columbus, OH
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:17 pm to
Agreed- Clemson played 2 top 15 squads non conference in USCe and Georgia vs BYU for the ponies. Clemson also played a tougher ACC schedule. Committee is just going by fewest # of W’s.
Posted by PaperTiger
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:22 pm to
The guy that posted the rules 3 times?

Clemson ended up like 15th or something. They get 12 seed automatically.

If they were ranked 10, they would be the 10 seed
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 1:06 pm to
Wasn't that you?
Posted by PaperTiger
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 1:32 pm to
Yes
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 5:13 pm to
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SMU @ Texas would have made too much sense


Sooo... do we want to committee to make matchups, or rank the teams?
Posted by Jenious
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 5:40 pm to
Alabama should have both the 11 and 12 spots.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 6:03 pm to
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guy from the other day has you repeating this incorrect line. That is IF they are ranked below 12, otherwise they just get which ever seed they fall to.

No, I just thought it was obvious that I was referring to the team that was currently ranked 16th. I should have been more clear, I even corrected that dude in the thread

It’s pretty obvious that they wouldn’t punish the 5th ranked conference champion and make them the 12th seed if they were higher than that
This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 6:10 pm
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 6:15 pm to
I really wanted SMU at Texas and send Dabos arse to Happy Valley
Posted by dallastigers
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:12 pm to
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quote:

SMU @ Texas would have made too much sense
Sooo... do we want to committee to make matchups, or rank the teams?


They do a poor job at both, but out the 12 teams they picked SMU should have been seeded 12th and playing at Texas anyway especially if ASU and Boise are locked into getting first round byes.

Conference champion shouldn’t be seeded behind runner up to begin with, and at the end of the day Clemson and SMU finished 8-1 in ACC games with Clemson winning the head to head and the conference championship.

SMU also didn’t play 2 SEC teams like Clemson did against the conference champion & 2nd seed in the playoffs - Georgia and against another top 15 team in South Carolina. It instead played 2 Big 12 teams with neither even making it to their conference championship game or ranked above South Carolina. Lost one to a BYU team ranked lower than Clemson and lower than the 2 SEC games Clemson lost - USCe and Georgia. The one game against Big 12 they won was to an unranked team in TCU.

In this particular scenario there is little doubt the committee rewarded SMU for having a weaker schedule in seeding it above Clemson and just getting in as South Carolina would beat them right now much less higher ranked SEC teams like Bama or Ole Miss.


Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:30 pm to
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Do you think that winning on a last second field goal should move Clemson up 6 spots in the polls?
I think they should have gained more than one spot, and that SMU should have moved down more than 2 spots. Let’s not act like the game was that close from start to finish. Yes Clemson pulled a Clemson in the 4th quarter, but they were up 17 at the half and still up 17 after 3 quarters, never behind the entire game, and that tie lasted all of 16 seconds. So yeah they still had to win by a last second field goal, but it’s not like game was going back and forth the entire game and just waiting for whoever had the ball last.

Clemson and SMU were both 8-1 against ACC teams with Clemson winning head to head and the conference championship. Where records separate was Clemson playing and losing to #2 Georgia and #15 South Carolina while SMU was playing and losing to #17 BYU and playing and defeating an unranked TCU. SEC versus Big 12 made difference in record not SMU being better.

I think the bigger problem was they knew Clemson had better resume and the head to head over SMU, but seeding a 3 loss Clemson above a 2 loss SMU based on the SEC teams being stronger opponents opens the door for Bama and Ole Miss to rightfully complain about being left out behind SMU and its weaker schedule. The committee could not argue against them at that point as they would have already acknowledged it by seeding Clemson at 11. A 3 loss conference champion they can wash their hands of and say they had to, but they would have had to put themselves out there to actually rank a 3 loss team into play offs over a 2 loss SMU and a 1 loss Indiana even if it’s correct. Keeping Clemson at 12 helped them avoid this and continue to focus on record even as strength of schedule isn’t equal which is completely goes against the goal of having best teams in the playoffs at start of the season.
This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 9:34 pm
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:57 pm to
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The same reason that Ohio State is seeded behind Penn


Obvious human flaw that Penn State got the easiest path and Oregon is burdened with having to beat Ohio State twice just to make the next round. 2024 Oregon meet 2011 LSU....congrats on your season not being rewarded The Committee failed at seeding and fairness and optics but their hands were partially tied.
This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 9:59 pm
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