re: Why does Georgia Tech stink?

I don't think their power boosters are going to be setting up collectives for NIL

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If Mullen can have a 10-2 season at Moo St playing in the SEC West there's no reason he couldn't do 8-4 at GT playing in the ACC Coastal.

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Well GT played and beat pretty convincingly Mullen's best Miss State team.

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Well GT played and beat pretty convincingly Mullen's best Miss State team.

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Ironically, we lost our Def Coordinator before that game and had a position coach as DC. Who was that DC? Geoff Collins.

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No. B/c he'd actually have to recruit Atlanta/metro and we both know that that isn't his strong suit.

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Look I hate tech (and mullen, I guess?) as much as the next guy but mullen could easily win 8 games in the ACC. The ACC is woefully pathetic as a conference; the only reason it's not seen as the bottom of the barrel shitfest the PAC is is because it has ONE team that's actually been nationally good lately, compared to zero for the PAC.

Gailey was a really good recruiter (by tech standards), he just happened to be there at a time when the rest of the southeast was REALLY ramping up. UGA, UF, bama, LSU specifically and probably some ACC teams were all really good. Tech thought gailey had maxed out and hit his ceiling so they went with PJ who ran a HS offense that is known for neutralizing a talent disadvatnage. PJ had quite a bit of early success on the back of chan's solid recruiting as well as being a newfangled system people only prepared for 1 week of the year. Outside of a blip sevearl years later, once he was figured out his ceiling was about the same as chan's but without the hope of recruiting his way out of it. Once they realized PJ wasn't taking them any higher they had to settle on the only person who would willingly take a roster that was recruited for the option. Anyone could see that it'd be at LEAST a 3 year rebuild, but what people didn't see was that collins is even worse than imagined, so here we are.

Mullen is a better coach than any of them, and couldn't possibly recruit worse than PJ/Collins, so it would almost be hard for him NOT to win 8 games in taht league. With that said, one of tech's many problems is the school's and adminitstration's utter lack of giving a shite about football, so they would never pony up enough money to get a coach like mullen. Which is why when they move on from collins their best choice is going to likely be a position coach at a P5 school with no coordinator or HC experience, or a HC from a tiny school.

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Juicy Geoff Collins

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With a can of swag.

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GT should have never went away from the option offense

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it all depends on what tech's administration actually wants from the program. If they wanted to take it up a notch and elevate the program to be better than it was, they needed a change. The triple option has a very finite ceiling which they'd already reached, so by sticking with it forever they're basically saying they're ok with not ever winning big but winning moderately is fine. And for tech maybe that is fine.

People always want to point to 2014 as proof of what it can be but that was very much a blip on the radar. He went 24-25 after that season, and 28-25 prior to it. In his 11 year career there he finished in the top 20 twice, one of which was prmiiarly becuase of gailey's recruits.

If NC State, UNC, Wake, etc can make some noise in the ACC there's no reason tech couldn't with a competent coach. They just don't seem to want to get one of those.

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You know who could kill it there? Shawn Elliott. He's down the street at Georgia State, and his teams play solid positionally sound ball.

He could be 9-3 there in short order.

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Tech needs someone who will zig when everyone else around them is zagging. Elliott is doing well at Georgia State. Let's say Tech hires him. He isn't going to improve Tech's recruiting (no one will unless there is mentality change in admin and alumni; this is kind of my point in any GT thread where the subject comes up) so what is he going to do differently that produces better results?

Tech isn't going to beat Georgia, Alabama, Clemson, Tennessee, Florida, Ohio State, Michigan, etc. They're about 30th in the Atlanta college sports pecking order. Hiring an up and coming recruiter is going to land them right back where they are now.

They need to hire an option guy and be happy with the occasional big season he brings. The alternative is the Geoff Collins era extended to perpetuity.

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Counterpoint: They were always going to struggle when transitioning from Johnson no matter the hire and Collins might just suck so the struggling is prolonged

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Yes, it was going to be a horrifically brutal rebuild regardless.

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They won at that level before Johnson got there playing straight up.

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Paul Johnson was hired in 2008, so you're talking about the O'Leary and Gailey years immediately before that. A few things have changed in college football since then, most notably the teams around them and their admin/alumni support and enthusiasm.

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Tech isn't going to beat Georgia, Alabama, Clemson, Tennessee, Florida, Ohio State, Michigan,

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that's not nor should it be their goal though. Talkign abotu those teams might as well be talking about a different sport. They need to focus on beating the virignia, wake forrest, NC state, boston college, syracuses of the world which they can't even do now. It really wouldn't take much for them to at least get back to "halfway decent" meaning .500 ball.

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Hiring an up and coming recruiter is going to land them right back where they are now.

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ehhhhhhh

they're where they are now because tehy hired a really pitifully bad coach, who inherited a pitifully bad roster that was built top to bottom for the triple option.