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re: Why did it take Freeman 3 years to get back to the top 5 program he inherited?
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:05 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:05 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Kelly beat only 3 teams that finished in the final AP Poll top-10 in his entire 12 seasons at ND (one of those was Clemson in 2020 when they were missing Lawrence and 4 defensive starters to Covid. He beat them at home in OT, then lost to them by 24 a month later at a neutral site when they were healthy).
Freeman just beat two, and has the opportunity to tie him in a week and (potentially) pass him on 1/20.
Also, the talent was severely lacking/drained after 2021, especially on offense. There’s a reason Kelly was opportunistic and left when he did.
Freeman just beat two, and has the opportunity to tie him in a week and (potentially) pass him on 1/20.
Also, the talent was severely lacking/drained after 2021, especially on offense. There’s a reason Kelly was opportunistic and left when he did.
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 9:36 pm
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:10 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Kelly has also made a semi final playoff game.
No, Kelly was placed in a semi final. Freeman has won two games to make a semi final. Huge difference.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:16 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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It's also a very different thing when your SOS is in the 40 and 50's compared to top 10 like lsu.
ND SOS was 19 at the end of the regular season. ND has typically been a top 20 and often a top 10 SOS team in the last decade or so.
That being said I agree with this
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I think Freeman is a good coach but we have yet to see him build a program.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:20 pm to Double Down
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Surely your wife explained this to you on your honeymoon?
Not everyone has the same experience you had.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:20 pm to Epaminondas
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You decided to make a post criticizing Freeman right after Notre Dame beat no. 2 seed Georgia in the playoffs?
Strange timing.
Beating UGA with Carson Beck out and Gunner Stahl at QB is like Notre Dame beating #1 Clemson in 2020 with Trevor Lawerence out.
Just sayin
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:21 pm to lionward2014
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No, Kelly was placed in a semi final.
He earned that, just like Freeman earned his way into these playoffs.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:24 pm to lionward2014
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Freeman has won two games to make a semi final. Huge difference
Freeman beat Indiana and a UGA team starting a QB in his first start
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:28 pm to Adam Banks
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Freeman beat Indiana and a UGA team starting a QB in his first start
Can only play the teams in front of you :shrug:
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:30 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Freeman took over a contender with almost no major issues that Kelly had built into a top 6 team basically for his last 3 years.
Kelly took over an LSU program needing a rebuild in an actual conference vs ND playing the service academies and cherry picking a few decent opponents.
ND played 1 ranked team in the regular season. They beat Army who was overrated. They lost to freaking Northern Illinois.
Now they are a very good team, but they are not better than Kelly’s teams in 2019 or 2021. Just have had better luck with their schedule and getting favorable matchups in the playoffs.
In the end, we won’t know whether Freeman is better until he wins something of importance. If the win the title sure. If they simply beat PSU in the next game, then maybe a slight edge, but it’s easy to take over a great team/program and maintain initially. Long run will be different.
Kelly took over an LSU program needing a rebuild in an actual conference vs ND playing the service academies and cherry picking a few decent opponents.
ND played 1 ranked team in the regular season. They beat Army who was overrated. They lost to freaking Northern Illinois.
Now they are a very good team, but they are not better than Kelly’s teams in 2019 or 2021. Just have had better luck with their schedule and getting favorable matchups in the playoffs.
In the end, we won’t know whether Freeman is better until he wins something of importance. If the win the title sure. If they simply beat PSU in the next game, then maybe a slight edge, but it’s easy to take over a great team/program and maintain initially. Long run will be different.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:31 pm to lionward2014
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Can only play the teams in front of you :shrug:
And Kelly didn’t get to play in 12 team playoffs so trying to compare 2 playoff wins is just as dumb :shrug:
Hell by last years rules UGA would get the FSU treatment and not even be in the playoffs
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:37 pm to Adam Banks
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And Kelly didn’t get to play in 12 team playoffs so trying to compare 2 playoff wins is just as dumb
Well Kelly got trounced in his one playoff appearance, and in his national title appearance, and in his New Years bowls.
Kelly is an above average coach, firmly in tier 2. Freeman is probably in tier 2 right now as well. Biggest difference is Freeman is 3 years into this and Kelly is 20 years in as an FBS HC (33 as a HC overall).
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:40 pm to boweswi05
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Except not even win one playoff game in 10 years
You realize that Notre Dame isn’t in last year…right.
They only made it because it expanded.
Ditto Indiana and Georgia.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:49 pm to Double Down
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Freeman is in the semi finals. Where is Kelly? Hint: he wasn’t even close to the 12 team playoff. FTR I’m not a Freeman fan. But for fricks sake, take off your purple and gold glasses for a change. Sometimes the other guy is just better. Surely your wife explained this to you on your honeymoon?
Kelly made a 4 team finals.
Freeman took over a 6th place team.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:02 pm to Rickdaddy4188
I’d take Freeman all day over Kelly. His ND teams are tougher. Defense is better and his special teams are light years better. His players play hard and disciplined. Freeman shoulders all the blame when things go south.
Kelly is a blowhard finger pointing excuse making loser. Can you tell I am pissed LSU is stuck with that clown?
Kelly is a blowhard finger pointing excuse making loser. Can you tell I am pissed LSU is stuck with that clown?
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:06 pm to SammyTiger
Buddy. It’s ok. We have Brian Kelly. The guy is begging fans to chip in money for NIL. He always has a reason why he can’t win. He’s a whiner. An excuse maker.
When he arrived here, he said he had everything he needed at LSU. Now he is shifting the goal posts. It’s what he does. The sooner he is gone, the better. We have no chance of winning it all with him here.
When he arrived here, he said he had everything he needed at LSU. Now he is shifting the goal posts. It’s what he does. The sooner he is gone, the better. We have no chance of winning it all with him here.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:11 pm to Rickdaddy4188
This is a truly amazing thread
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:55 pm to Geauxgurt
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Now they are a very good team, but they are not better than Kelly’s teams in 2019 or 2021. Just have had better luck with their schedule and getting favorable matchups in the playoffs.
Buddy, this is just straight up fricking ignorant.
This team is far better than either the 2019 or 2021 versions of ND. It's also 80+% Freeman's roster with 3 years of the recruiting cycle + the portal. Virtually everyone who made a play worth anything tonight is a Freeman-recruited kid sans Xavier Watts.
I get that we just punked your conference champion in your own backyard and you are smarting, but you all are acting like a bunch of baby back bitches because your idiot AD made the worse end of a shitty deal of the decade.
If Kelly was truly better and LSU was a better situation, you would have figured it out by the end of year 3. Now the portal and NIL have evened the playing field in terms of professionalization and paying players with programs with true frick you money which poor arse states like Louisiana don't have, and you are fricked.
Good luck.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:59 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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AbuTheMonkey
Equals automatic upvote in any ND thread.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 1:09 am to bayoujd
idk if you noticed but the goalposts are moving for everyone.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 1:28 am to Buckeye Fan 19
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Also, the talent was severely lacking/drained after 2021, especially on offense. There’s a reason Kelly was opportunistic and left when he did.
So Kelly left for LSU because of the lack of talent but came to lsu and we didn't have a 2 deep roster of scholarship players?
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