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re: Which major sport has the most unathletic people?

Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:26 pm to
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:26 pm to
No it doesn't... it takes a very flexible arm most importantly.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:27 pm to
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Let me go invent a bunch of sports where height and size and strength are important factors and let's see how a soccer player fares.
Size has 0.00000000000% to do with athleticism. Sure it helps, but it has absolutely nothing to do with athletic ability
Posted by D011ahbi11
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:30 pm to
That's not really accurate, power is generated from an explosive lower half.
Posted by TigerBait1127
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:32 pm to
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Size has 0.00000000000% to do with athleticism. Sure it helps, but it has absolutely nothing to do with athletic ability



I'd say that athleticism shifts based on size. A 300 pounder with a 35 inch vertical >> A 150 pounder with a 35 inch vertical
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:33 pm to
That helps but it's not the most important thing.

A guy like Randy Johnson isn't going to out - squat somebody in the gym.

His arm is like a sling shot.

Flexibility is the most important thing for a pitcher. It's about how much your shoulder rotates and how fast your arm whips back through.
This post was edited on 11/6/14 at 12:35 pm
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:34 pm to
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I'd say that athleticism shifts based on size. A 300 pounder with a 35 inch vertical >> A 150 pounder with a 35 inch vertical
Ok. In cool with that. But of you have a 40 inch vert and run a 4.5 at four feet tall, you are more athletic then someone with a 30 inch vert and 4.8 40 at 6 feet tall
Posted by D011ahbi11
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:39 pm to
Flexibility without power production doesn't get high velocity
I will say a guy like Johnson doesn't have to be as athletic as other guys who throw that hard, because he's so tall
This post was edited on 11/6/14 at 12:52 pm
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:48 pm to
Yes it does. My brother pitches in college and injured his non-throwing arm. Since he couldn't play or do upper body workouts, he trained his legs like crazy.

It resulted in increased explosiveness, but no gain in velocity.

Later, he got on a velocity program created for him by a pitching coach. There was a lot of arm stretching, band work, weighted ball work, etc dealing with the shoulder and elbow.

He increased his velocity by 5 mph.

He's been to sports doctors and they measure the arm tilt to test rotator cuff flexibility. The doctor has talked about how flexibility relates to velocity.

I assure you, those things are more important than a strong lower body in terms of increasing velocity.
Posted by D011ahbi11
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:58 pm to
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:02 pm to
His height certainly aids his ability to throw hard.

But velocity mostly come from shoulder rotation and arm whip.

Imagine a catapult that can only be held back 100 degrees before it is released. Now imagine a catapult that can be pulled back 180 degrees and then released.

The further the catapult can be pulled back, the further the object flies.

The resistance also matters. You want the catapult to whip through hard. This is why also strengthening the shoulder muscles is important. It will help to whip the arm through harder.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:04 pm to
"Add 10 mph to your fastball in 16 weeks!"

You trying to sell me something?
Posted by D011ahbi11
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:15 pm to
Nope, read the article. The guy knows his shite
Posted by Hester Carries
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:17 pm to
It amazes me how people cant keep their minds on track.

I am not talking about average athleticism of a sport.

I am talking about a sport in general.

To say "There are some incredibly athletic basketball/football etc. players" is pointless in this discussion.

To say "there are some incredibly athletic people that play x position" only slightly helps this discussion.



Which position (not one single player at that position) in sports is the most unathletic?

Use whatever criteria you want to for athleticism but it would help if you explained it. For me height is not a criteria for athleticsim. I think thats like 50% of being a professional center. Thats what im going with
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:17 pm to
And I can pull up a whole bunch of stuff refuting him. No point. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
Posted by D011ahbi11
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:19 pm to
As you wish.

Just doesn't make much sense to me that guys like Lincecum, Bauer, Chapman etc. would have such explosive mechanics when it all just came down to shoulder flexibility
This post was edited on 11/6/14 at 1:25 pm
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:53 pm to
I mean of course you gotta get your whole body into the throw.

Maybe pictures will help. Look at the difference between Chapman and Maddux's arm:





Or the difference between an average velocity guy like Wandy Rodriguez and a hard thrower like Stephen Strasburg:






The hard throwers can get much more whip on the ball because their arms flex more.
Posted by More beer please
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:55 pm to
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Soccer is the least interesting, but requires the most athleticism.


Lulz
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 2:00 pm to
Here is an experiment you can do yourself. Throw a baseball or football and take note of how it feels.

Then do this rotator cuff stretch:



Lay like that and push your arm down to the ground like she's doing and hold it there for 10 seconds. Rest for 10 seconds and do it again. Do it a third time.

Now, go back out and throw the ball around.

From that little stretch, your arm will feel much more powerful.

And that was just from a quick stretch.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 2:01 pm to
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So who in baseball is more unathletic then Terrance Cody?



Just because he's a big fat frick doesn't make him unathletic, just out of shape. There are thousands of men in the U.S. who are built like Cody and they are not nearly as fast (for their size), agile (again, for their size), or strong.


Defensive linemen, especially ends, are the biggest athletic freaks of nature on the planet.
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 2:01 pm to
Clicked thread, wondering what could possibly have taken this thread to 8 pages...



It's the roid monkeys in baseball by a mile. No endurance. Hurt running bases. Most OL/DL in the NFL could beat half the MLB in a 1 mile race.

They're just guys that have trained their bodies to swing a bat/throw a baseball stupid fast over years of training.

There's a ton of butthurt MLB fans in this thread grasping at straws cause their league is becoming 4th banana.

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