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Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:56 am to Moustache
You sort of brushed over a few statistics and left some off to bend your point
Jeter has 300 more hits in 200+ less ABs
Jeter has nearly 100 more RBIs, again in less ABs
Jeter's OPS is 30 points higher
You sort of tossed Jeter's BA advantage to the side when 30 points is huge
As for as fielding, apples to oranges
Jeter has 300 more hits in 200+ less ABs
Jeter has nearly 100 more RBIs, again in less ABs
Jeter's OPS is 30 points higher
You sort of tossed Jeter's BA advantage to the side when 30 points is huge
As for as fielding, apples to oranges
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:56 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:More? Man, that play was literally everywhere for about 2 weeks after it happened. I could not have avoided it if I tried.
You said overrated in history. I'd say, considering the circumstances, I'm surprised you don't hear about it more.
quote:Nah, Kirk could barely stand-up when he hit that.
The way you're viewing it, you probably think gibson's WS home run is overrated
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:58 am to Floating Change Up
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Craig played most of his career in the Astrodome during his prime.
imagine what he wouldnt have done without the steroids.
Dude hit 27 HRs total in his first 4 full seasons. All of a sudden he was hitting 20 HRs on the reg on a team filled with notorious steroid users(caminiti, bagwell, finley, gonzalez)
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:58 am to Grit-Eating Shin
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But infielders backhand throws all the time in the league. Again, a good, clutch play, just not nearly as great as it's made out to be.
as the backup cutoff man on an over thrown ball to home in a 1 run playoff game? again, please tell me when youve ever seen a mlb make a play like like on a throw home. NEVER, thats what makes that play so amazing.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 12:09 pm to rutiger
quote:No, that's what makes it memorable, not amazing. The fact that you have to frame it so heavily speaks to that point. What also makes it "memorable" is that he played for the Yankees. Like the dude said earlier, all the drama about 9/11 amplified everything that they did. Had that been Tony Womack making that same play, no one would remember it (btw, Tony caused Mariano to blow a save in gm 7 of the WS).
as the backup cutoff man on an over thrown ball to home in a 1 run playoff game? again, please tell me when youve ever seen a mlb make a play like like on a throw home. NEVER, thats what makes that play so amazing.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 12:12 pm to Lester Earl
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magine what he wouldnt have done without the steroids.
Dude hit 27 HRs total in his first 4 full seasons. All of a sudden he was hitting 20 HRs on the reg on a team filled with notorious steroid users(caminiti, bagwell, finley, gonzalez)
I'm not saying he did or didn't use steroids, but it's not like Jeter looks all that innocent either.
The yankees have had Jeter adn Arod for a while, and Arod is a known user. Perhaps that explains Jeter's longevity too.
Also, how did Jeter magically hit 24 HRS, 100+ RBI, with a .349 BA in '99, when his career never even came close to that?
If you're going to implicate Biggio in 'roids, then you have to implicate Jeter too.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 12:16 pm to Lester Earl
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Dude hit 27 HRs total in his first 4 full seasons. All of a sudden he was hitting 20 HRs on the reg on a team filled with notorious steroid users(caminiti, bagwell, finley, gonzalez)
Don't for get about the Coke and ludes. He was definitely on drugs. I mean, why else would he move from his natural position at catcher to play 2nd base? Imagine how much power he could've generated by having his legs get so much stronger by having to get up and down into the catcher's squat every game.
Dude would've raked had he stayed at the catcher's position.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 12:20 pm to Moustache
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Also, how did Jeter magically hit 24 HRS, 100+ RBI, with a .349 BA in '99, when his career never even came close to that?
going from 19 to 24 is different than going from 4 to 21
Posted on 2/13/14 at 12:21 pm to Moustache
Also, no team was better at keeping stars healthy long past their prime than the Yankees. The Yankees of the aughts were a tremendously old team, but they never declined because Posada and Jeter could play 150 games at an All-Star level well into their 30's. That's unheard of in baseball history. This team relied on old players, and were rewarded. Usually, that story ends differently.
I hate steroid whispers, but if we're going to do it, you can't say the Yankees don't like guilty as hell. That said, I don't give one shite.
I hate steroid whispers, but if we're going to do it, you can't say the Yankees don't like guilty as hell. That said, I don't give one shite.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 12:24 pm to Moustache
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5. Craig was a much better runner. 348 SB to Craig's 414.
over the career, Biggio stole 2 bags a season more than Jeter. "much better runner" is a bit of a stretch.
quote:Jeter has 258 more hits in 248 fewer games
4. both have over 3000 hits
interesting measurement is MVP voting. i typically look at how many time a player is top-10.
Biggio = 3
Jeter = 8
Posted on 2/13/14 at 12:27 pm to Lester Earl
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going from 19 to 24 is different than going from 4 to 21
I'm sure switching from catcher to 2b had absolutely nothing to do with it. Plus, he hit 13 in his 2nd season.
Going from a career BA of .307 at the time to .349 isn't suspicious to you either?
Posted on 2/13/14 at 12:28 pm to Moustache
batting average spikes aren't uncommon
he hit .324 the year before .
he hit .324 the year before .
Posted on 2/13/14 at 12:28 pm to Sevendust912
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Huge difference between .280 and .310+
About 18 hits per season. Or about 1 additional hit every ten games.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 12:28 pm to Baloo
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That said, I don't give one shite.
This is the way I feel. If it was only hitters doing it, then yeah that's different. But just as many pitchers were roiding up as hitters. Hell, is any pitcher putting up Greg Maddux or Pedro Martinez 1990s numbers today also?
Posted on 2/13/14 at 12:30 pm to Sophandros
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About 18 hits per season. Or about 1 additional hit every ten games.
thats a lot over a career. Considering how long each played.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 12:30 pm to Moustache
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Going from a career BA of .307 at the time to .349 isn't suspicious to you either?
For steroid use? Not as suspicious as a substantial increase in power numbers.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 12:30 pm to Rouge
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over the career, Biggio stole 2 bags a season more than Jeter. "much better runner" is a bit of a stretch.
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4. both have over 3000 hits
Jeter has 258 more hits in 248 fewer games
interesting measurement is MVP voting. i typically look at how many time a player is top-10.
Biggio = 3
Jeter = 8
I'm not arguing that Jeter isn't better. I"m arguing, that Jeter is so much better than biggio that he's 1st ballot and Biggio is not. That the only difference is literally who played in NYY.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 12:30 pm to rutiger
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But yet youve never seen ANYONE ever make the same play. Let alone make it in a 1 run playoff game.
If the baserunner wasn't a lazy sack of shite, that play doesn't happen.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 12:33 pm to Lester Earl
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batting average spikes aren't uncommon
he hit .324 the year before .
Meh. That slugging pct bump is suspicious too. Craig hit 13 HRS a few years before he hit 21. Is 13 to 21 that big a jump? It was more the style and role they wanted Craig to play on the team. I think Jeter could've hit more HRs and have a lower BA if he was asked to be a 3 hole hitter like Craig was back in '01.
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