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re: What is your definition of a sport?
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:29 pm to kidbourbon
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:29 pm to kidbourbon
quote:what distance?
Not bad. But then what about sprinting?
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Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:30 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:
They go hand in hand, he needed both.
But he unquestionably is/was a better golfer because of his strength especially off the tee and out of the rough.
No, no he didn't. Golfing is hand-eye. All hand-eye. You think Tom Watson was competing on the last day of a major at age 59 because he was strong? Of course not.
And if anything, I think Tiger made himself worse by getting jacked. The repercussions have killed his career.
Was doing just fine like this:
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:30 pm to WG_Dawg
quote:
With golf, bowling, gymnastics, cheerleading, skateboarding, etc. you basically do the best you can and compare scores after. Nobody but yourself is stopping you from doing the best you can. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying in ANY way that those aren't difficult and there's not tremendous skill involved.
Here is why I think golf is different:
You can't just do a routine. In bowling, you have to execute the same motion 12 times and you can bowl a perfect game anywhere. gymnastics, cheerleading, skateboarding, etc. you perform a routine.
In golf, you have a repetitive motion but there are decisions and changes that have to be made which makes it on the borderline IMO. I'm not saying definitively it takes a great athlete. But it certainly takes more so than bowling or gymnastics which can be made into a routine.
This is also why I would put auto racing behind golf, but well ahead of those other sports due to this fact as well.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:30 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:Tiger used to dominate when he was a skinny little shite
They go hand in hand, he needed both.
But he unquestionably is/was a better golfer because of his strength especially off the tee and out of the rough.
What an athletic specimen. Truly a modern marvel of athletic achievement.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:31 pm to Pedro
quote:
what distance?
All of them. Makes no difference.
Even distance events. All of the above are kinda more like golf than tennis. Your opponents are directly opposed to you. You're racing the clock.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:31 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:
Tiger used to dominate when he was a skinny little shite
So did Barry Bonds.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:32 pm to WG_Dawg
quote:what if youre wtih a group of far superior sprinters which wouldnt push you as hard (due to being way faster) as if you were running with a group that was more apt to your speed?
Sprinting is the same gist as the others, you run as fast as you can, the other guy runs as fast as he can, and you see who was faster. He isn't stopping you from doing your best.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:33 pm to kidbourbon
quote:lost me here. ive been in meets where others have done all they could to get in peoples way to slow them down. Ive done it myself on a few occasions
Even distance events.
ETA: also like i stated above the group youre running with could push you to do better or worse depending on their own ability.
This post was edited on 6/4/14 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:34 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:Except Barry Bonds was always very athletic. And he became incredible when he increased his athleticism by taking steroids.
So did Barry Bonds.
Tiger got bigger and then started doing worse.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:34 pm to KosmoCramer
and Kevin Durant
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:34 pm to PrimeTime Money
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You don't know what scouts look for then or what coaches look for at showcases.
They are judging speed, agility, arm strength, size, power, etc.
They aren't looking for guys who hit for average or have a nice glove if they aren't fast, have a very strong arm, etc.
Players are drafted out of high school not because they are amazing baseball players... but because they can crush the baseball or they can throw 95 mph.
Athleticism matters a LOT in baseball, you just don't realize it.
Maybe scouts suck at scouting. If I'm looking at two players and one can hit a single every time he steps to the plate but is slow and kinda puny, and the other is Willie Mays Hayes, well....
Ichiro >>>>>> Willie Mays Hayes*
*Interesting side note: Wesley Snipes is actually RIDICULOUSLY uncoordinated. They had a really hard time piecing together believable basketball footage in white men can't jump.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:36 pm to Pedro
quote:
lost me here. ive been in meets where others have done all they could to get in peoples way to slow them down. Ive done it myself on a few occasions
ETA: also like i stated above the group youre running with could push you to do better or worse depending on their own ability.
What's the cutoff to where you no longer have your own lane? 800 meters?
And I'll accept what you're saying as true, but then that makes a mile race a sport and a 100 meter dash not a sport. Which is absurd.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:37 pm to ULSU
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lol, no. Batting involves all kinds of speed (fast twitch), agility (hitting inside and outside pitches or curves are all different movements), and you're hardly what I'd call "stationary". It is an extremely violent movement.
You don't know what agility means.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:38 pm to Pedro
quote:
what if youre wtih a group of far superior sprinters which wouldnt push you as hard
you're not serious.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:38 pm to kidbourbon
quote:Ichiro is very fast and has a ridiculously strong arm.
Maybe scouts suck at scouting. If I'm looking at two players and one can hit a single every time he steps to the plate but is slow and kinda puny, and the other is Willie Mays Hayes, well....
Ichiro >>>>>> Willie Mays Hayes*
*Interesting side note: Wesley Snipes is actually RIDICULOUSLY uncoordinated. They had a really hard time piecing together believable basketball footage in white men can't jump.
He might not seem very special because he's playing against other great athletes in the MLB.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:38 pm to kidbourbon
depends on the event. anything longer than a 800 you just fall in after the gun. in a 800 you have a lane for the first 100 meters.
a 100 meters is long enough in my eyes for it to effect you. the only event on the track i view as too short for it to have an effect is the 60 meter in indoor.
a 100 meters is long enough in my eyes for it to effect you. the only event on the track i view as too short for it to have an effect is the 60 meter in indoor.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:39 pm to WG_Dawg
quote:im 100% serious. ive experienced it first hand
you're not serious.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:40 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:
Ichiro is very fast and has a ridiculously strong arm.
He might not seem very special because he's playing against other great athletes in the MLB.
Assume he had average speed and a weak arm. Proceed with same hypo.
Ichiro >>>>>>> Willie Mays Hayes
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:40 pm to PrimeTime Money
Yeah, and Wesley Snipes is also really slow. When he filmed Major League as Willie Mays Hayes, they had to speed up the footage.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:42 pm to Pedro
quote:
im 100% serious. ive experienced it first hand
Eh, you're reaching.
Other guys may run faster because Usain Bolt sets a faster pace. But then Tiger may step up his game if Mickelson is dropping birdies left and right.
But there's no actual opposition. You're not ducking a punch. You're not scrambling to hit a backhand. You're not posting a guy up. Etc etc
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