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re: Was Jackie Robinson actually really good at baseball?
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:45 pm to dukke v
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:45 pm to dukke v
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BUt I think Bonds was a great player that turned into A pure HR hitter and that's all he cared about after his head grew six sizes
he really only chased HR's 1 year. Rickey was the best leadoff hither ever, but Bonds was much better overall.
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Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:47 pm to dukke v
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If Bonds head didnn''t get so big and he did NOT ROID up and still ended up with the same stats................ He would be the BEST PLAYER to EVER play the game.I have Ruth as #1.....BUT If Bonds was clean............It would NOT be close
I understand that
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:58 pm to H-Town Tiger
Ruth is still #1 simply because of his pitching career. Bonds was facing pitchers that were juiced and HGHed up, so I think his competitive advantage is a little overstated. Still hate him, but there is no questioning his greatness.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 3:24 pm to dukke v
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I am not sure how old you are. BUt I think Bonds was a great player that turned into A pure HR hitter and that's all he cared about after his head grew six sizes. When he was in Pitt he was awesome........ YES I am NOT a fan of players that are link to ped's. Bonds won MVP's in a down era of hitters in the NL in the early 90's IMO....
During this "down era" Bonds recorded the single best NL OPS since McCovey in '69 (in 1992). Then he followed it up by besting it in 1993 setting the highest mark since Hack Wilson in 1930. Pre-BALCO (career thru 99), he had already amassed 445 HRs. And he played another 8 years! He would have easily broken 600 playing in a down era. Prior to him, only 3 players in baseball history had ever hit 600 (Aaron, Ruth, Mays).
It's a silly argument though. You still haven't listed anything Rickey was better at other than stealing bases.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 3:24 pm to SoFla Tideroller
Rickey Henderson was my favorite player to watch, but Bonds was better. I hated that SOB when he was with the Pirates.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 3:30 pm to IgotKINGfisherSpeed
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I hated that SOB when he was with the Pirates.
So did his team mates. That's why Bonds didn't rush the mound after getting hit. It was gonna be him against the other team while his team mates watched.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 3:33 pm to Tiger Ryno
The Toy Cannon? Wasn't that Jimmy Wynn?
Who is the best black player of all time? How about one of the other Robinsons...Frank.
Don't forget Bob Gibson...aside from his great pitching numbers he was great hitter often used as a PH and a perennial Gold Glover. He played basketball with the Harlem Globetrotters for a short while and was an accomplished boxer.
Who is the best black player of all time? How about one of the other Robinsons...Frank.
Don't forget Bob Gibson...aside from his great pitching numbers he was great hitter often used as a PH and a perennial Gold Glover. He played basketball with the Harlem Globetrotters for a short while and was an accomplished boxer.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 3:36 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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Bonds won MVP's in a down era of hitters in the NL in the early 90's IMO
Bonds was the MVP of baseball.
not to mention he was robbed of at least 2 more MVPs in 2000 and 1996
Posted on 4/15/13 at 3:38 pm to tmc94
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You still haven't listed anything Rickey was better at other than stealing bases.
Was Bonds a table setter????? NO. Think about it. Pitchers were just as scared of pitching to Rickey as they were Barry..... Henderson was a threat from ANYWHERE on the base paths. Whether he was trying to steal or not. A lot of stats can be thrown away in certain debates......... Sure Barry[juice ]Bonds hit a shitload of hrs. Ricky stole a shitload of bases.... Separate those two things and IMO Rickey is better......
Posted on 4/15/13 at 3:39 pm to dukke v
We still have hockey 
Posted on 4/15/13 at 3:39 pm to Flame Salamander
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How about one of the other Robinsons...Frank.
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The Toy Cannon? Wasn't that Jimmy Wynn?
Yes it was............
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Don't forget Bob Gibson...aside from his great pitching numbers he was great hitter often used as a PH and a perennial Gold Glover. He played basketball with the Harlem Globetrotters for a short while and was an accomplished boxer.
A great athlete........
Posted on 4/15/13 at 3:41 pm to dukke v
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YES I am NOT a fan of players that are link to ped's.
There's probably a 1% chance Rickey didn't do roids.
Guy was yolked and played forever at a high level.
eta: Not to mention he was on the teams with the guys where it really gained steam.
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Posted on 4/15/13 at 3:59 pm to dukke v
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This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 4/15/13 at 4:10 pm to OBUDan
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There's probably a 1% chance Rickey didn't do roids.
REALLY?????????/ I can't prove to you that he didn't. BUT his head didn't get HUGE like a certain SF players did.... BTW if YOU don't think Bonds DIDN'T do roids?? YOu are an idiot.....
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Guy was yolked and played forever at a high level.
There is something wrong with this>>> Pete Rose did the same thing. Just as did Roberto Clemente.........
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Not to mention he was on the teams with the guys where it really gained steam.
I can't dispute this..........
Posted on 4/15/13 at 4:15 pm to dukke v
dude, can you talk around the issue more? Everyone has already conceded SBs to Ricky and you act like you have no idea that Bonds stole over 500 bases and is #33 all-time in steals - it's not as one-sided as all that.
As far as table setter, Bonds actually scored more runs per game played despite not being a leadoff hitter after his first 3 years. Next?
As far as table setter, Bonds actually scored more runs per game played despite not being a leadoff hitter after his first 3 years. Next?
Posted on 4/15/13 at 4:24 pm to tmc94
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dude, can you talk around the issue more?
Can you get your mouth off of Bonds package?????????
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and you act like you have no idea that Bonds stole over 500 bases and is #33 all-time in steals - it's not as one-sided as all that.
I have said that Bonds was a GREAT player. While in Pittsburgh..... Once he started ROIDING. How many bases did he steal?????????????
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As far as table setter, Bonds actually scored more runs per game played despite not being a leadoff hitter after his first 3 years. Next?
You have NO CLUE about the game of baseball........... FACT If I had a choice of who I would pick to be on my team???? Ricky would get chosen over Barry[after juicing]
Posted on 4/15/13 at 4:29 pm to dukke v
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Was Bonds a table setter?????
was Rickey a 3 hole hitter???!?!?!?!!?!?
no, you fricking stupid retard
Posted on 4/15/13 at 4:29 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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not to mention he was robbed of at least 2 more MVPs in 2000 and 1996
1991 was the biggest sham.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 4:34 pm to dukke v
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You have NO CLUE about the game of baseball
What does this mean? Are you arguing leading off is most important? I'm all for challenging CW, but if anything it could be argued that better hitters, like Bonds should lead off because they will get more AB's that way.
Stealing bases is over rated a strategy. It's nice, it's fun, but Earl Weaver was right, you are better off waiting around for the 3 run HR.
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