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re: Was Jackie Robinson actually really good at baseball?
Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:28 pm to LaBornNRaised
Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:28 pm to LaBornNRaised
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He was not the first African American in the majors.
I took an elective back in college: Race and Sports in America which covered all of this and I cannot remember who but they had black players playing in the late 1800's in the "major league" at the time.
Thought so.
It doesn't diminish what 42 did, but its weird that its never talked about. I guess 42 was just such a good role model and hard worker and awesome player at a very tumultuous time and during MLB's golden era.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:29 pm to dukke v
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I would put Henderson in over BBonds easy........
Yes Rickey Henderson is better than Bobby Bonds
Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:31 pm to dukke v
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I would put Henderson in over BBonds easy........
Oh yea.... Easily!!!!!
Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:42 pm to tmc94
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Rickey is a tremendous player, one of the greatest ever even. But Bonds is just in another dimension.
Why?? Just because he hit a lot more HR's. Ricky is the greatest table setter of all-time and its not even close........... A rare blend of Speed ,Power, and instinct.......
Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:51 pm to TheCaterpillar
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It doesn't diminish what 42 did, but its weird that its never talked about. I guess 42 was just such a good role model and hard worker and awesome player at a very tumultuous time and during MLB's golden era.
Whatever else happens, can we kill off this threatened fad of referring to Jackie Robinson as "42"?
And also launch a pre-emptive strike against "The JRR"
Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:52 pm to dukke v
besides speed, name 1 thing Rickey Henderson did better than Barry Bonds.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:52 pm to dukke v
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Why?? Just because he hit a lot more HR's. Ricky is the greatest table setter of all-time and its not even close........... A rare blend of Speed ,Power, and instinct.
Surely you are talking about Bobby Bonds and not his son.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:53 pm to Kafka
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Whatever else happens, can we kill off this threatened fad of referring to Jackie Robinson as "42"?
And also launch a pre-emptive strike against "The JRR"
haha, I just don't feel like typing his full name out every time. But your wish is my command sir Kafka.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:53 pm to Springfield XD
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Jackie Robinson
The Toy Cannon!
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:02 pm to TheCaterpillar
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It doesn't diminish what 42 did, but its weird that its never talked about.
Because it requires us to understand how race relations actually got worse in this country after Reconstruction. The worst race riot was probably in Tulsa around 1912 (I could be wrong on the exact date, I don't feel like looking it up). MLB was integrated and THEN became segregated. It wasn't always that way, it required a conscious decision by the people running baseball to exclude black people (this also happened at the Kentucky Derby - many of the early winning jockeys were black).
Cap Anson, outside of Hal Chase, had the single most toxic influence on baseball in the sport's history. Screw that guy.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:04 pm to Lester Earl
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name 1 thing Rickey Henderson did better than Barry Bonds.
He was a table setter. His job was to get on base and be a threat to score from any base. A decent outfielder[Just like Bonds] and drove in a suprising # of runs for being a leadoff man. Oh and BTW he was on teams that got to the WS far more than anything Bonds can even talk about......
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:07 pm to dukke v
that doesnt answer my question
Bonds on base % - 444
Rickey on base % 401
Bonds on base % - 444
Rickey on base % 401
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:07 pm to dukke v
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His job was to get on base
Career OBP:
Bonds 444
Rickey 401
I love Rickey. Great player. Barry Bonds is the best player I have ever seen. He is the single greatest player of my lifetime, and there really isn't a close second.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:20 pm to Baloo
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Barry Bonds is the best player I have ever seen. He is the single greatest player of my lifetime
I am not sure how old you are. BUt I think Bonds was a great player that turned into A pure HR hitter and that's all he cared about after his head grew six sizes. When he was in Pitt he was awesome........ YES I am NOT a fan of players that are link to ped's. Bonds won MVP's in a down era of hitters in the NL in the early 90's IMO....
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:31 pm to Lester Earl
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besides speed, name 1 thing Rickey Henderson did better than Barry Bonds.
Talk in the third person and give better quotes.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:35 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Also, I heard he was not technically the first black guy in the majors. Heard there were others before him that were Latin American.
Black and Latin American aren't the same thing.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:36 pm to TheCaterpillar
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TheCaterpillar
I was very curious about this question myself. Glad I found your thread.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:37 pm to dukke v
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Over Mays or Aaron?????????????? Sorry I can't do this......
sorry i meant over Henderson for sure. Tougher call for me over Mays and Aaron, I don't know enough about Charleston and Gibson. so at worst I have Bonds #3.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:41 pm to H-Town Tiger
Barry Bonds is the greatest ever any position, race or era
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:41 pm to H-Town Tiger
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sorry i meant over Henderson for sure
We will disagree on this........... If Bonds head didnn''t get so big and he did NOT ROID up and still ended up with the same stats................ He would be the BEST PLAYER to EVER play the game.I have Ruth as #1.....BUT If Bonds was clean............It would NOT be close..............
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