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re: VIDEO: Tony Stewart hits opposing driver; driver has died according to reports
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:48 am to LSUSoulja08
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:48 am to LSUSoulja08
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whether it happens all the time or not, running into traffic is not a smart idea
I agree.
It is not the only variable under consideration.
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Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:48 am to BayouBandit24
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you don't need any intent for manslaughter or negligence, all about a reckless disregard for human life. an argument could be made that was pretty freaking reckless.
Well the kid doesn't get hit if he doesn't get 5 inches from a race car
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:48 am to GEAUXmedic
Other than Stewart seeing him and accelerating near him when everyone else went around him?
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:48 am to LSUSoulja08
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I won't say he deserved it, but he was fricking stupid doing what he did
Here's my only point on the kid walking down the track...
All of us think it's nuts because we've never done it, but these guys have been on tracks their entire lives and have likely done something like that numerous times, so it's not as big of a deal.
Also, if the guy who hit him was another young guy with little track experience, then maybe I could buy the nothing but an accident theory a little more. But I think we all know the experience Stewart has on the track...even a dirt track.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:49 am to Byron Bojangles III
quote:This one will probably be talked about and debated for a long time.
Well the kid doesn't get hit if he doesn't get 5 inches from a race car
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:49 am to RummelTiger
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...when he passed the kid, he purposefully accelerated in an attempt to freak the kid out. Unfortunately, he did more than that.
Unfortunately for Tony Stewart, that should be enough for an involuntary manslaughter charge, based on at least my reading of the law. Criminal negligence is all it takes.
Even if that's the only camera angle, the authorities probably have technology good enough to determine whether Stewart even made a slight move toward Ward, and while the steep swerve was clearly caused by Ward getting caught by the tire, it's also clear to me that he was trying to run away after playing the video several times.
Stewart's exact movement of his vehicle will determine what happens next.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:49 am to Byron Bojangles III
Exactly. Based on that video Ward was much more reckless than Stewart. And manslaughter would have to prove that Stewart intended to at least do something to the kid, even if he didn't mean to kill him. Again, it's very much like the Stallworth case
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:49 am to RummelTiger
Exactly
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:49 am to the808bass
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It is not the only variable under consideration
I agree, but the only thing we know for sure from what has been reported and what was shown in that video is that the kid ran at a moving car
you have no idea what Tony's intent was for anything. That's all conjecture and guess work at this point.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:51 am to Cap Crunch
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Other than Stewart seeing him and accelerating near him when everyone else went around him?
like I said before, if someone was lunging at my car I would try to move away as quick as possible, its a natural human reaction. the kid got hit cause he got too close to the car. If you walk into a shooting range into the path that the bullets are flying and get hit who's fault is it?
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:51 am to maine82
How can you tell if stewart accelerated into the guy? I didn't see that in the video
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:51 am to RummelTiger
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All of us think it's nuts because we've never done it, but these guys have been on tracks their entire lives and have likely done something like that numerous times, so it's not as big of a deal.
That's like saying because a guy in a sawmill juggled chainsaws during slow periods at work it's somehow safe for him to do because he worked around saws.
There's a reason drivers get fined for things like walking towards a car after a wreck. It's never safe no matter how much experience you have.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:51 am to LSUSoulja08
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you have no idea what Tony's intent was for anything. That's all conjecture and guess work at this point.
Correct. But I'm going to guess that Tony is looking around desperately for a Way Back Machine right about now.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:51 am to LSUSoulja08
it really looks like what i'v heard from the very beginning
Tony tried to scare him lost control and clipped him. Still going to be in some deep shite regardless of the kids actions. A person in his position has to be held to a higher standard over stuff like this.
Tony tried to scare him lost control and clipped him. Still going to be in some deep shite regardless of the kids actions. A person in his position has to be held to a higher standard over stuff like this.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:51 am to tigerfan88
I still don't see where it ses he has died yet, so hopefully he is still hanging in there.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:51 am to LSUSoulja08
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have no idea what Tony's intent was
You're right. But different jurors will infer different things about him gunning the engine right before impact.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:52 am to Cap Crunch
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Other than Stewart seeing him and accelerating near him when everyone else went around him?
He could claim that he accelerated to avoid him making contact with the car, trying to prevent him from being run over. He couldn't have turned right because it would be going towards him and he could turn left because his rear would sweep out.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:52 am to RummelTiger
Would be amazing if the driver survives that. Even if he does, I don't see how he avoids some paralysis.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:52 am to GEAUXmedic
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If you walk into a shooting range into the path that the bullets are flying and get hit who's fault is it?
derp
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:53 am to RummelTiger
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All of us think it's nuts because we've never done it, but these guys have been on tracks their entire lives and have likely done something like that numerous times, so it's not as big of a deal.
I know what you mean but that doesn't change anything. A guy was fricking running at a moving cars. Whether that scares him or not makes no difference. It certainly doesn't make it a smart decision.
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Also, if the guy who hit him was another young guy with little track experience, then maybe I could buy the nothing but an accident theory a little more. But I think we all know the experience Stewart has on the track...even a dirt track.
And you can talk about that until the cows come home. There is no hard evidence that proves he was trying to do anything other than drive his car
just my IMO on the matter though. And my opinion probably isn't worth a shite
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