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re: Top 50 College Football Players of the Past 50 Years
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:27 pm to Arkansasrazorback
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:27 pm to Arkansasrazorback
Also "straw man" is defined as an intentional misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument. Read a dictionary why don't you.
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:32 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Precisely, you opposed a point that was never raised regarding how good Les Miles was as well as assert that Leonard Fournette isn't a top 10,000 player when the argument was clearly confined to 50. Just accept defeat rather than reach, you're making yourself look like a moron.
Please allow me to recap using cliff notes and small words so that your feeble Louisiana mind can understand:
- poster suggests Les Miles is to blame for LF's failures
- I point out that great players often overcome coaching deficiencies and that it is silly to place that type of blame on an LSU icon. I called him the best coach in program history.
- You said Saban had a higher winning percentage. You even doubled down on that misinterpretation by posting it twice.
- I pointed out that you were wrong because 77 > 75.
- LF is a considerable distance from top 50. To emphasize that, I used the number 10,000. Tyrann Mathieu, on the other hand, may be a legitimate snub.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:37 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Also "straw man" is defined as an intentional misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
Correct. That is exactly what I defined it as. I didn't need to set up an easy to defeat proposition such as "Saban's win percentage is better than Miles' win percentage." You did it for me.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:39 pm to Arkansasrazorback
Was referring to the 10,000 proposition dude, learn reading comprehension
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:41 pm to mdomingue
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but only because I disagree with Manning, he was great at Tennessee
To me Manning reminds me of Miles in college. Difference being Miles has a title. Manning had unbelievable stats in college but could never get over the hump. Mainly bc Manning was up against Florida and Spurrier at peak performance. Much like Miles vs Saban/Bama
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:44 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Well then that doesn't make any sense as the purpose of a straw man argument is to establish an easier argument for oneself as the point of contention. I actually did the opposite in this case. It would be much easier for me to prove that he isn't top 50 than to prove that he isn't top 10,000.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:46 pm to Arkansasrazorback
Where's your 10,000 bro?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:50 pm to Arkansasrazorback
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I point out that great players often overcome coaching deficiencies
You were trying to pin the blame for 1 loss to a superior team on the freaking running back. Using modern cliches about "rising up" in big games. Pretty much great player had a bad game. It's not worth the time to try and dig through old box scores but I'm certain Walker, Jackson etc had a game under 50. If we were arguing Fournette should be in the top 50 all time, maybe it would be relevant but I said I agree he is not, just that he is one of the 50 best running backs, so singling him out for that one loss is just gratuitous nonsense
ETA McFadden had 17 42 in a loss to Auburn in 2007. No way is that D remotely close to 2015 Alabama
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silly to place that type of blame on an LSU icon
What's silly is to try an excuse the coach no matter his status for a truly awful game plan and to instead blame a 20 year old sophomore running back by saying great players overcome. You also may want to check the LSU Alabama games post 2010 including the 9-6 game. The offense was pretty much the same save 2012 which was blown by Miles decisions to pound ahead rather than throw.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:53 pm to Arkansasrazorback
Agreed, H-Town, now where's your 10,000 fraud?!
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:58 pm to ThePTExperience1969
I'm not going to list 10,000 (I don't have that much time on my hands), but I will list just a few running backs, WRs, QBs, and defensive players from just the last ten or so years.
Tim Tebow, Vince Young, Cam Newton, Deshaun Watson, Johnny Manziel, Reggie Bush, Matt Leinart, Derrick Henry, Ezekiel Elliott, Darren McFadden, Christian Mccaffrey, Julio Jones, Michael Crabtree, Calvin Johnson, Dez Bryant, Justin Blackmon, Tyrann Mathieu, Suh, Von Miller, etc...
Tim Tebow, Vince Young, Cam Newton, Deshaun Watson, Johnny Manziel, Reggie Bush, Matt Leinart, Derrick Henry, Ezekiel Elliott, Darren McFadden, Christian Mccaffrey, Julio Jones, Michael Crabtree, Calvin Johnson, Dez Bryant, Justin Blackmon, Tyrann Mathieu, Suh, Von Miller, etc...
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:10 pm to H-Town Tiger
Success against Saban is not exactly common. I think he may have even lost less than 20 games in a decade. One of the few coaches to beat him more than once was Les Miles and he did it using the same approach you are currently criticizing him for. Are you suggesting that he should have put the game in the hands of players like Anthony Jennings and Brandon Harris rather than his revolving door of good RBs, quality offensive lineman, and typically solid defenses?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:27 pm to FootballNostradamus
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Interceptions:
Deshaun - 32
Tebow - 32
Tebow never threw 32 interceptions, in the three years you pulled out he threw 15 and only 16 overall.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:36 pm to bgator85
You are correct, he only threw 16. Appears this poster made a misrepresentation.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:59 pm to Arkansasrazorback
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Success against Saban is not exactly common. I think he may have even lost less than 20 games in a decade. One of the few coaches to beat him more than once was Les Miles and he did it using the same approach you are currently criticizing him for.
Wait are you trying to argue we lost to Bama in 2015 because of Fournette and not Miles
Either you are trolling, obtuse or related to Les. Les lost 3 straight (and 5 of 7) to Saban before LF set foot on campus.
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Are you suggesting that he should have put the game in the hands of players like Anthony Jennings and Brandon Harris rather than his revolving door of good RBs, quality offensive lineman, and typically solid defenses?
You know why its hard to beat Saban multiple times? Because he adapts. To suggest that because you beat him a couple of times doing one thing that you can continue to beat him doing that exact same game plan is foolish. However the 2010 game turned on a 75 yd TD pass from Jefferson to Randle. The first FG for LSU in the 9-6 game was also set up by a 30 yd pass from Jefferson to Sheppard.
In 12 years at LSU Les Miles did not recruit, sign and develop a single HS QB that became a good college QB. That is why he is out of coaching. Maybe if he and gotten an OC that could do that instead of pal Cam, he would have had a better option than Harris, or do you blame LF for that too? Defense was the hall mark, but the talent level there has also been sliding. Look at the 2010 and 11 teams and see how many pros there were vs the last few seasons.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 6/21/17 at 3:49 am to ThePTExperience1969
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Lawrence Phillips?! Someone's really reaching now lol
I, as well as many other Nebraska fans, consider him to be the best RB ever to play at Nebraska. Hardly a reach.
This post was edited on 6/21/17 at 3:54 am
Posted on 6/21/17 at 6:19 am to I am GLORIOUS
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I as well as many other Nebraska fans, consider him to be the best RB ever to play at Nebraska. Hardly a reach
Good for you. He had 1 good season and 2 he didn't even crack 600 yards. Fournette out gained him each season. He maybe the most talented RB at NU but that's purely speculation. He is not in the conversation with top 50 RBs
Posted on 6/21/17 at 6:27 am to bgator85
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Tebow never threw 32 interceptions, in the three years you pulled out he threw 15 and only 16 overall.
Complete typo on my part. I simply duplicated Deshaun's number for that.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 6:34 am to Lester Earl
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You conveniently left out rushing numbers. Whys that?
Idk, because we're evaluating QBs?
The rushing numbers actually aren't that different. Deshaun had the highest rushing total for a season between the two. His total went down his final year as Dabo wanted to preserve his energy, but are you actually making the case that Deshaun wasn't a lethal threat running the ball? Did you see him slicing through the vaunted Bama defense that pounded Tebow into oblivion?
Tebow's got significantly more rushing TDs than Deshaun, but I wonder what the difference would be if you took out all of his one yard goalline plunges.
You really think it's absurd to claim Deshaun is on Tebow's level? I'd love to poll Alabama posters and see who they feared most.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 6:41 am to brg0320
Good point about ms valley state. Is willis reed or robert parish on 50 college hoops lists?
Reed was the man at undefeated grambling. He didnt have to play vs the ohio state with two hof players and two other nba dudes, who won ncaa same time grambling cruised vs lesser schedule. Parish led nation in scoring playing lite schedule.
Reed was the man at undefeated grambling. He didnt have to play vs the ohio state with two hof players and two other nba dudes, who won ncaa same time grambling cruised vs lesser schedule. Parish led nation in scoring playing lite schedule.
This post was edited on 6/21/17 at 6:42 am
Posted on 6/21/17 at 7:02 am to dukke v
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Dayne. I'm ok with, but Gordon??????
Why not Gordon over Fournette?
Gordon is No. 2 all-time in yards/carry for a career, No. 2 all-time in rushing yards over a single season, and finished his career with 4,915 yards (7.8 yards/carry) and 45 touchdowns.
He still had another year of eligibility before turning pro and, if he maintained career averages, he would have finished No. 3 all-time in career rush yards and top-10 all-time in career rushing touchdowns.
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