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re: Top 50 College Football Players of the Past 50 Years

Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:38 pm to
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:38 pm to
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Fournette absolutely would have shredded McNeese State in Syracusesque fashion and inflated his numbers. LSU was ranked in that season's inaugural top 4


Speaking of Syracuse he had a 70+ yard TD wiped out by penalty or he goes for 3 bills in that game, but let's not act like all he did was rack up numbers against lesser teams. He had 26 246!vs Auburn by Contrast Henry had 46 271. That's TWENTY more carries and 25 more yards. Florida LF 31 180 DH 44 189 13 more carries 9 more yards. Arkansas LF 19 91 DH 25 95. Ole Miss LF 25 109 DH 23 127 A&M LF 32 159 DH 32 236. It's bad enough we blame QBs for team loses but to try and blame Fournette for Alabama is the height of irrational hate it's clearly on Miles. Baton Rouge native and Bama star Tim Williams on BR radio this year said they (Bama)!did not understand why LSU kept trying to run right at them.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:39 pm to
leinarts resume is better then any QB on that list save Tebow
Posted by Arkansasrazorback
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:40 pm to
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How? Nick Saban won a higher pct of games and same amount of natl titles and SEC titles, Dietzel won a natl title undefeated as well.


Nope.

The field at Tiger Stadium should eventually be named after Les when you consider his longevity, the clip at which he won, the championships, and the way he represented LSU.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 8:41 pm
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
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Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:47 pm to
Nick has championships and HIGHER WIN PCT
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61014 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:50 pm to
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Darren McFadden


Well he was better in college. Arkansas ran from multiple fronts, but ran some innovative stuff like the wildcat (new at he time)they changed pace with Jones they didn't just try to hammer away from the I. And while LSU did win the NC the 2007 D was at best the 3 TD best D Miles had at LSU and in the same class as 2015-16 Bama. Most RB have a bad game here and there.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 8:51 pm
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:52 pm to

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Matt leniart at 38 is criminal. He should be top 10.

Vince Young is 30 spots too high


When asked who the greatest college quarterback of all time was during a recent interview with Fox Sports 1, former USC quarterback Matt Leinart didn't hesitate.

“My USC faithful is going to be mad at me, but I gotta say Vince Young,” Leinart said (via Chron.com). “And the only reason why, you look at this stats and his stats are staggering. He’s over 6,000 passing yards, over 3,000 rushing yards so he could do both things."
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:54 pm to
Saban was a better coach at LSU, his overall winning percentage may not be as good but he also did not inherit nearly as good a situation.

Miles is our 3rd best coach, under appreciated by our fans but no they should not name the field after him.
Posted by Arkansasrazorback
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:54 pm to
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Nick has championships and HIGHER WIN PCT


No, he doesn't. Miles' win percentage was 77%. Saban's was 75%.
Posted by FootballNostradamus
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:56 pm to
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You think Deshaun is better than Tebow?


To emphatically say any of the college football greats are certainly better than another is simply a fool's game. However, to think you can't make a case for Deshaun over Tebow is not true.

The biggest issue with the comparison is Tebow's National Championship as a freshman backup. Now I grant that he wasn't some backup who never played, but I'm also not sure how you truly weigh this into the equation. If we just look at their resumes as starters, this is how they stack-up:

Total passing yards:
Deshaun - 10,163
Tebow - 8,927

Completion percentage:
Deshaun - 67.6%
Tebow - 66.4%

Passing touchdowns:
Deshaun - 90
Tebow - 83

Interceptions:
Deshaun - 32
Tebow - 15

QB Rating:
Deshaun - 165.3
Tebow - 169.7

Record as a starter:
Deshaun - 35 - 2
Tebow - 35 - 6

This is also factoring in Deshaun's freshmen, sophomore, and junior years vs Tebow's sophomore, junior, and senior years. If you compare Deshaun's first three years to Tebow's or try to extrapolate what Deshaun's senior year would look like, it is a hard landslide to Deshaun.

Again, Tebow was fantastic, but Tebow NEVER torched an Alabama defense like Deshuaun did twice. When Tebow lost to Alabama, he was crying and wilting like a nobody. When Deshaun lost to Alabama he was easily the best player on the field and had over 400 total yards.
This post was edited on 6/21/17 at 6:28 am
Posted by Arkansasrazorback
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:58 pm to
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but he also did not inherit nearly as good a situation.


Miles' 2011 team had a legitimate GOAT argument before they were unfairly required to play Alabama again. He fielded that team in his seventh season. It had nothing to do with what he inherited. He won a national championship in his third season which is something he has in common with some all time greats. He wasn't Larry Coker.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39421 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:00 pm to
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Elway didn't win.


1) It's Stanford

2) Bill Walsh left the year Elway got there.

In 2008, Elway was ranked #15 on ESPN's Top 25 Players In College Football History list.

So in 10 years, we've had more GOATs and Elway is now #38 or whatever.

This was the list in 2008.

25 Ernie Nevers
24 Reggie Bush
23 Johnny Rodgers
22 George Gipp
21 Archie Griffin
20 Charley Trippi
19 Dick Butkus
18 Jim Brown
17 Bronko Nagurski
16 Tom Harmon
15 John Elway
14 Hugh Green
13 Glenn Davis
12 Earl Campbell
11 Charles Woodson
10 Vince Young
09 Roger Staubach
08 Bo Jackson
07 Tony Dorsett
06 Jim Thorpe
05 Sammy Baugh
04 Doak Walker
03 Herschel Walker
02 Barry Sanders
01 Red Grange

Why did Walker jump Sanders? What has Walker or Bo done in retirement that Sanders hasn't? Do they more TDs now?

So Elway is #15 all-time! But if he's measured only in the last 40 years...he's #35?
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 9:01 pm
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:02 pm to
You can actually comprehend and interpret stats, Mr. "10,000 players better than Fournette" so proud of you.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:06 pm to
You conveniently left out rushing numbers. Whys that?
Posted by Arkansasrazorback
Member since May 2010
9299 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:07 pm to
You're the one who didn't know that 77 is a bigger number than 75. You were quite adamant about it actually. You even used all caps to emphasize it
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 9:10 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
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Member since Nov 2003
290911 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:09 pm to
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When asked who the greatest college quarterback of all time was during a recent interview with Fox Sports 1, former USC quarterback Matt Leinart didn't hesitate.

“My USC faithful is going to be mad at me, but I gotta say Vince Young,” Leinart said (via Chron.com). “And the only reason why, you look at this stats and his stats are staggering. He’s over 6,000 passing yards, over 3,000 rushing yards so he could do both things."


Young was 1 dimensional until is Jr season. Poor passer, good runner. He shouldn't be #8
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:09 pm to
You're the one who asserted that Fournette isn't even the top 10,000 of the last 50 years which is the actual argument, Mr. Strawman. Have yet to see your 10,000 selections better. #GameSetMatch
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:12 pm to
We're waiting *crickets*
Posted by Arkansasrazorback
Member since May 2010
9299 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:15 pm to
A "straw man" argument is one that opposes a point never advanced by one's opponent. You actually suggested that Saban's win percentage was higher than Miles' win percentage which I was able to address rather easily. Any other subjects you would like me to tutor you on?

As for the topic of the thread, you must keep in mind that it is top 50 players of the past 50 years which takes all positions into account. Fournette falls well, well outside of that standard.
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:21 pm to
Precisely, you opposed a point that was never raised concerning that Leonard Fournette isn't a top 10,000 player when the argument was clearly confined to 50. Just accept defeat rather than reach, you're making yourself look like a moron.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 9:25 pm
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:21 pm to
We're still waiting for the 10,000 btw
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