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re: Top 50 College Football Players of the Past 50 Years
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:29 pm to arwicklu
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:29 pm to arwicklu
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He won by himself.
You know how many other NFL players were on that team? The entire Secondary was drafted in the top 60. Michael Huff, who made the stop on White on 4th and 2, without which VY is holding his helmet while Leinart takes a knee, was the Thorpe award winner and 7th pick in the draft. VY put up the performance of a lifetime in the Rose Bowl but he didn't win by himself, his team was loaded.
If anyone won by himself it was Newton, that team was 8-5 the year before and 8-5 the year after.
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Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:36 pm to H-Town Tiger
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You know how many other NFL players were on that team? The entire Secondary was drafted in the top 60. Michael Huff, who made the stop on White on 4th and 2, without which VY is holding his helmet while Leinart takes a knee, was the Thorpe award winner and 7th pick in the draft. VY put up the performance of a lifetime in the Rose Bowl but he didn't win by himself, his team was loaded.
That team was loaded and USC shredded that defense. I don't care who was on the team, they didn't show up that day. If Bush doesn't lateral, then they lose.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:36 pm to H-Town Tiger
Plus Aaron Ross, Michael Griffin, Brian Orakpo, Henry Melton, Tim Crowder, Jamaal Charles, Limas Sweed, Selvin Young, Cedric Griffin, etc. Granted, age played a factor, but those teams were talented.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:39 pm to H-Town Tiger
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If anyone won by himself it was Newton, that team was 8-5 the year before and 8-5 the year after.
But he wasn't great in the Championship game. He was unreal versus the SEC and especially Bama in the comeback. Vince did it against an all time team while the rest of his team struggled.
This isn't a slam on Cam because I wouldn't argue with him at number 1 or anywhere in the Top 10. I just never saw anything like what VY did that year and that game.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:47 pm to H-Town Tiger
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If anyone won by himself it was Newton, that team was 8-5 the year before and 8-5 the year after.
Double post. Sorry drinking.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:21 pm to arwicklu
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That team was loaded and USC shredded that defense. I don't care who was on the team, they didn't show up that day.
Define not showing up. USC avg over 50 points a game, Texas held them to 38 which is 2 TDs less. As great as VY was in that game, I agree the best I've ever seen in a single game, he still needed the defense to make the most critical stop which they did. Great teams aren't always great, they're just great when they have to be. And BTW, Vince had 3 turnovers vs tOSU, which his D held them to 6 or 9 points (i don't feel like looking it up
. tOSU converts just 1 of those to a TD and there is no VY Rose Bowl heroics as USC is curb stomping Penn State while VY is in the Fiesta Bowl AS for Cam, he did not play well in the title game that is true, but his team was decidedly average without him in 09 and 11. It was not a talented team. Texas needed every bit of that talent to beat USC. No way does Vince beat them with the roster Newton had in 2010.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:28 pm to TTsTowel
Mariota gets shafted because he played at Oregon AFTER Kelly left. He had one year with Kelly but was overshadowed by Manziel mania. Once Kelly left, nobody cared about Oregon even though Mariota was carrying a rag tag group of WRs and TEs and even RBs into the title game two years later. (Freeman is the best Oregon RB since LMJ)
He set the record for most pass attempts without an interception in 2014 iirc. Fairly certain it was an NCAA record too. His decision making + his accuracy is the best we've mayne ever seen. I'm not saying he's the most talented, but given his god given tools, he did the most with them.
He set the record for most pass attempts without an interception in 2014 iirc. Fairly certain it was an NCAA record too. His decision making + his accuracy is the best we've mayne ever seen. I'm not saying he's the most talented, but given his god given tools, he did the most with them.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:29 pm to theducks
if it makes you feel better, Bruce Feldman, who was on the committee said on his podcastThe Audible that Mariota was way under valued. I think he had MM in the top 10.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:35 pm to H-Town Tiger
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You know how many other NFL players were on that team?
There are like 3 great myths about the 2006 Rose:
1) Vince Young won by all himself
(Texas had All-Americans and future NFL stars all across the board.)
2) USC was shut down by a crappy defense.
(Texas had a top 10 Defense that year and USC had more yards than Texas in the Rose Bowl.
...And USC scored more points on Texas that game than anyone else...even games where Texas took out their starters at halftime.)
3. USC lost because of their crappy defense.
(USC held Texas to 41...Texas averaged, averaged! 50 that year! People talk about 2005 USC offense, Texas had the highest scoring offense that year...they were #1 and USC #2.)
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:39 pm to H-Town Tiger
MM was special. He took a group of average skill players (Thomas and Barner are the only ones playing on sundays without looking it up and they're only used in the return game) and an LOL Hold my Beer type of bad playcalling coaching duo of Frost and Helfrich to a title game.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:41 pm to theducks
LaMichael is Spanish for the Michael was one of best signs ever at games.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:27 pm to arwicklu
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That team was loaded and USC shredded that defense. I don't care who was on the team, they didn't show up that day.
they played against the greatest offense in college football history. USC was ranked in the top 6 nationally in both rushing and passing yards per game. they ran a vanilla pro-style system, no gimmicks.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:35 pm to 632627
Yeah Texas D deserves serious props for holding USC to 38.
It could have been 50+...like against Arkansas.
Arkansas lost to #4 Georgia 20-23
Arkansas lost to #3 LSU 17-19
Arkansas lost to #1 USC 70-17.
This feels like an SAT question...how do we reconcile the disparity?
Two top 5 teams win by a combined 6 points...
The #1 team wins by 63 points.
It could have been 50+...like against Arkansas.
Arkansas lost to #4 Georgia 20-23
Arkansas lost to #3 LSU 17-19
Arkansas lost to #1 USC 70-17.
This feels like an SAT question...how do we reconcile the disparity?
Two top 5 teams win by a combined 6 points...
The #1 team wins by 63 points.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:06 am to dukke v
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Ok so you are gonna base Tebows Career because of what he did against FSU?????
No, I never said that. I'm simply basing my response on your stupid, incorrect response about FSU not being nobodies.
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I can assure you anyone would take Tebow over Watson. knowing at the time that they would have him for 4 seasons.
I couldn't care less what people would do. People somehow convinced themselves Watson wasn't the best player in the land the last two years so why should I expect them to have a clue in this situation?
If you line up Deshaun's years vs Tebow's, true freshman vs true freshman, sophomore vs sophomore and junior vs junior, Deshaun has him in nearly every statistic. Deshaun would emphatically have him in every statistic if he hadn't left early and would almost certainly have another national championship or atleast a national championship game appearance.
Tebow was fantastic, saying anything otherwise is idiotic. However, Deshaun was never stomped like Tebow was by Bama in that SEC Championship Game. 13 points with a trip to the National Championship Game on the line? Lolololol. Deshaun twice effortlessly torched Bama defenses that were better than that defense Tebow faced.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:33 am to FootballNostradamus
Homer city right here....
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:39 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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2) USC was shut down by a crappy defense.
(Texas had a top 10 Defense that year and USC had more yards than Texas in the Rose Bowl.
Is that really something people believe
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:31 am to TTsTowel
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Vince Young wasn't even in the same stratosphere when it came to passing. Marcus Mariota was ridiculously accurate and almost never made mistakes passing. 105 passing touchdowns, 14 interceptions, and nearly 11,000 passing yards.
Mariota threw it 449 more times than VY. That's over a seasons worth. I'll concede that Mariota was and is a better passer than VY. He's really good. I witnessed it with my own eyes in the Alamo Bowl
. VY just had that certain "it" factor that he was able to will the team to victory (I know I sound like Les Miles
). When the lights were on and it was a big, prime-time game, VY was able just to turn it on. He did it against USC, Michigan, and Ohio State. For that, I'd take VY. I'm also biased.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:51 am to Grandioso
I'd give VY the nod over mariota and tebow easily. Both may have had better statistics, but I agree, VY had "it" and his bowl performances are legendary. Tebow at #6 is way too high. If you are looking at accomplishments, Leinart is probably the best college qb. I'd take VY over leinart.
Cam is the only one that compares to VY in terms of the crazy shite they could do on the field.
Cam is the only one that compares to VY in terms of the crazy shite they could do on the field.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:52 am to Grandioso
Marcus passed for more Y/A his college career than Vince: 9.3 vs 8.4, was more accurate and prolific than VY, higher passer rating, Marcus' pass attempt amount explains less rushing yards than VY however their Y/C are roughly similar actually. Both had same pass Y/C figures.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:59 am to ThePTExperience1969
AGAIN there is more than just stats to determine a better player.... I would take VY over Mariotta mainly because of the intangibles he brings.....
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