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re: Top 50 College Football Players of the Past 50 Years
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:07 am to Ross
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:07 am to Ross
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Because Cam Newton is a better CFB player than Johnny Manziel
Cam was/is like LeBron James. His physical prowess was simply unstoppable. No college kid was going to stop a 6'5, 260lb quarterback that ran a 4.5. Your best best was to outscore them.
LSU shut down Manziel like it was nobody's business. A&M was no more than a scout team out there against the LSU defense.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 10:09 am
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:08 am to StrongBackWeakMind
Cams ONE year was better than Johnnys two years.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:09 am to StrongBackWeakMind
I have no problem with him being on the list... his one year was incredible.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:11 am to Ross
A&M in 2012 did not have the talent that the 2012 AU team did....
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:11 am to dukke v
quote:No doubt about it.
his one year was incredible
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:12 am to Grandioso
Auburn put a flawed team around Cam, but it was strong enough in all the right places to win the national title.
Offensive line was senior laden, WRs weren't terrible and Lutzenkirchen proved a viable TE target. Michael Dyer emerged as a solid RB later in the season with McCalleb offering speed on the edge. Those options allowed for the playbook to be open enough so that people couldn't just stack the box on Cam all the time, but even if you did, he could move around you or run through you.
Outside of the first quarter of the Iron Bowl that year, that offense was close to unstoppable.
Offensive line was senior laden, WRs weren't terrible and Lutzenkirchen proved a viable TE target. Michael Dyer emerged as a solid RB later in the season with McCalleb offering speed on the edge. Those options allowed for the playbook to be open enough so that people couldn't just stack the box on Cam all the time, but even if you did, he could move around you or run through you.
Outside of the first quarter of the Iron Bowl that year, that offense was close to unstoppable.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:14 am to dukke v
2012 TAMU had a great offensive line, probably one of the best I can remember, and some great WR talent.
2010 Auburn had a senior laden offensive line that wasn't bad, but it wasn't as good as 2012 TAMU. The WRs were nowhere near as talented. Love them to death, great at run blocking and Darvin Adams was clutch when we needed him, but nobody on the WR corps had a prayer at the NFL.
2010 Auburn had a senior laden offensive line that wasn't bad, but it wasn't as good as 2012 TAMU. The WRs were nowhere near as talented. Love them to death, great at run blocking and Darvin Adams was clutch when we needed him, but nobody on the WR corps had a prayer at the NFL.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:15 am to Ross
3 games is insufficient to prove a player is inferior, you assess their career and what they accomplished. In 2012, Johnny ran for more TDs than Cam in 2010 and roughly the same amount of rushing yards. He threw for more yards than Cam in both seasons and with higher pass pct, averaged 31 TD passes in both seasons. Really the only argument people have for Cam is the national title which is stupid bc that's a team accomplishment, we're arguing individual players.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 10:16 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:22 am to ThePTExperience1969
Shut up already.... Again I will say this there is more to football than just stats... anyone can do what you are doing... he'll I have books and books plus the Internet to look shite up......
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:25 am to Ross
Not sure about that... Johnny had to improvise way way to much in 2012. I give him credit for being able to do great things while doing it, however he was running for his life more than any set running play for him.....
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:28 am to ThePTExperience1969
It's all about the spin.
Cam had a better passer rating, more rushing yards, more total TDs, more passing TDs, less INTs, nearly equal rushing TDs, roughly the same comp %, led his team to a National Championship, and didn't choke in big games.
All you've got in favor of Manziel when comparing their best season is more passing yards and a less than 2% better comp %.
Cam had a better passer rating, more rushing yards, more total TDs, more passing TDs, less INTs, nearly equal rushing TDs, roughly the same comp %, led his team to a National Championship, and didn't choke in big games.
All you've got in favor of Manziel when comparing their best season is more passing yards and a less than 2% better comp %.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 10:32 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:32 am to StrongBackWeakMind
Manziel exceeded Newton in passing TDs, rushing TDs, comp % and rush yards per attempt, FACT
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:34 am to ThePTExperience1969
Cam was a better CFB player.
FACT
FACT
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:44 am to ThePTExperience1969
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Manziel exceeded Newton in passing TDs, rushing TDs, comp % and rush yards per attempt, FACT
He played one more season than Newton did.
FACT
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 10:50 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:52 am to ThePTExperience1969
You talking 2012?????
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:52 am to Grandioso
Manziel exceeded Newton in passing yards, rushing TDs, comp % and rush yards per attempt in his Heisman season, FACT
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 11:10 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:59 am to ThePTExperience1969
You realize that 90% of his rushing yards were when he was escaping from the pocket due to pressure correct????? And LSU shut him down completley...FACT.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:11 am to dukke v
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Manziel exceeded Newton in rushing TDs, comp % and rush yards per attempt in his Heisman season, FACT
Compare the two against ranked opponents. I don't care what Manziel did against SMU and South Carolina State. Likewise, I don't care what Newton did against Arkansas State and UL-Monroe.
For their Heisman seasons:
Manziel
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Vs. #24 Florida 173 passing yards 0/0; 60 rushing yards 1td
@ #23 Louisiana Tech (Shreveport) 395 passing yards 3/1; 181 rushing yards 3tds
vs #6 LSU 276 passing yards 0/3; 27 rushing yards 0td
@ #17 Mississippi State 311 passing yards 0/0; 129 rushing yards 2tds
@ #1 Alabama 253 passing yards 2/0; 92 rushing yards 0tds
vs #12 Oklahoma (Cotton Bowl) 287 passing yards 2/1; 229 rushing yards 2tds.
Newton
quote:
Vs. #12 South Carolina 158 passing yads 2/0; 176 rushing yards 3tds
Vs. #12 Arkansas 140 passing yards 1/0; 188 rushing yards 3tds
Vs. #6 LSU 86 passing yards 0/0; 217 rushing yards 2tds
@ #9 Alabama 216 passing yards 3/0; 39 rushing yards 1td
Vs. #18 South Carolina (SEC Championship) 335 passing yards 4/0; 73 rushing yards 2tds
Vs. #2 Oregon (National Championship) 265 passing yards 2/1; 64 rushing yards 0td.
Total:
Manziel- 1,695 passing yards, 7 touchdown 5 interceptions, 718 rushing yards, 8 rushing touchdowns
Newton: 1,200 passing yards, 12 touchdowns 1 interception, 757 rushing yards, 11 rushing touchdowns
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:16 am to Grandioso
BOOM......
Posted on 6/24/17 at 1:30 am to dukke v
quote:
Why???? He only played one year.....
then THE NEXT frickING PAGE you say you have no problem with it. Jesus Christ PJ. I mean is it really that hard not to shitpost everyday? I mean do you ever read what you write before you hit submit?
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