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re: To All CFB fans regarding the NCAA
Posted on 6/22/11 at 12:13 am to Zamoro10
Posted on 6/22/11 at 12:13 am to Zamoro10
Case in point. It's fascinating to see now how consensus is building among the educated-journalists that the SC punishment was egregious, unjustified and a precedent the NCAA is looking to conveniently ignore.
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Tressel made one huge mistake and it cost him his career. USC had one star player go rogue and it cost the school 30 scholarships. North Carolina is accused of nine major violations involving at least 14 different adults and roughly half its starting lineup, and yet its case may wind up causing the smallest ripple of the three.
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Posted on 6/22/11 at 12:19 am to Zamoro10
quote:so its just the educated journalists who agree with your point of view. Ok....
how consensus is building among the educated-journalists
Posted on 6/22/11 at 12:37 am to Zamoro10
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USC had one star player go rogue and it cost the school 30 scholarships.
didn't their case involved some trouble with OJ Mayo and their basketball team too? I'm almost certain they did. And I think the allegations involved Joe McKnight as well.
LA Times link
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According to Johnson, a Los Angeles events promoter named Rodney Guillory received more than $200,000 from a Northern California sports management agency. Guillory then allegedly funneled at least part of that money to Mayo in the form of cash, clothes and a flat-screen television.
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The Heisman Trophy-winning Bush allegedly received cash and gifts from a pair of would-be sports marketers in 2004 and 2005. His parents also allegedly lived rent-free in a San Diego-area house owned by one of the businessmen.
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More recently, McKnight was seen driving a Land Rover owned by a Santa Monica businessman, which might have constituted a violation of NCAA rules.
Yep, that one rogue player in one sport. he caused all of it. Oh wait, he just helped draw scrutiny to the situation.
Posted on 6/22/11 at 2:13 am to bbrownso
The USC case had nothing to do with McKnight.
And yes, the allegations did involve Mayo in basketball. So you're saying that it's okay that a school lost football scholarships because of basketball allegations?
There was one football implicated in this case and 30 football scholarships lost.
And yes, the allegations did involve Mayo in basketball. So you're saying that it's okay that a school lost football scholarships because of basketball allegations?
There was one football implicated in this case and 30 football scholarships lost.
Posted on 6/22/11 at 8:50 am to ToesOnTheNose213
Funny. I thought that the violation happened for a YEAR. Many of those UNC players did one violation or a handful of violations during a relatively short period. Reggie Bush's family got a rent-free house for a year.
Now i know; how does that impact the game? Well unless the regular student at USC could get a rent free house for their parents, that is the definition of a violation.
Now i know; how does that impact the game? Well unless the regular student at USC could get a rent free house for their parents, that is the definition of a violation.
Posted on 6/22/11 at 9:29 am to ToesOnTheNose213
quote:All due to the severity of the infraction and USC stonewalling the NCAA.
There was one football implicated in this case and 30 football scholarships lost.
UNC cooperated fully.
Posted on 6/22/11 at 12:21 pm to GeauxTigersLee
SVP is ripping the NCAA over this issue right now.
How coaches were involved at UNC (a runner for an agent) and yet UNC is not the first one and not high profile like USC. So once again; disparate.
Paul Dee on USC: "This is a high profile player, you should have known."
SVP: To say UNC was blind to these infractions on Top 25 draft picks is a stretch.
Consistency.
How coaches were involved at UNC (a runner for an agent) and yet UNC is not the first one and not high profile like USC. So once again; disparate.
Paul Dee on USC: "This is a high profile player, you should have known."
SVP: To say UNC was blind to these infractions on Top 25 draft picks is a stretch.
Consistency.
Posted on 6/22/11 at 12:23 pm to Trojan Ace
yea I will pass on supporting anything like this
Posted on 6/22/11 at 12:32 pm to Trojan Ace
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Trojan Ace
He mad.
Posted on 6/22/11 at 12:33 pm to Zamoro10
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To say UNC was blind to these infractions on Top 25 draft picks is a stretch.
Did the players participate in any games after breaking NCAA rules? I was under the impression that the agent's party occurred after the '09 season & UNC took action prior to the season opener. I realize that some played later in the season, but that was similar to AJ Green situation @ UGA.
Now the tutor situation is completely different.
Posted on 6/22/11 at 12:34 pm to ToesOnTheNose213
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The USC case had nothing to do with McKnight.
The point is there is a bunch of stuff USC didn't get caught for. You should be thankful for that.
USC broke the rules when recruiting McKnight. I also believe one of your star WRs was living in a very expensive condo free of charge. There was a lot of stuff going on, not just the Reggie stuff.
You know it. We know it. You just didn't get caught for it. Like I said, be happy with your relatively minor punishment.
Posted on 6/22/11 at 12:57 pm to Zamoro10
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Consistency.
UNC cooperated
USC did not
Posted on 6/22/11 at 12:57 pm to TigerintheNO
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Did the players participate in any games after breaking NCAA rules? I
not without NCAA approval, and UNC cooperated
This post was edited on 6/22/11 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 6/22/11 at 1:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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UNC cooperated
USC did not
It's amazing people can't see this quite major distinction. USC went so far as to hire a coach who was already flouting NCAA rules elsewhere. it was a stunning display of arrogance.
Posted on 6/22/11 at 1:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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UNC cooperated
USC did not
Think about what you're saying. It's better to purposefully break rules and once you get outed - admit you're a criminal and beg for mercy than...
...not purposefully break rules and once a yahoo reporter outs one of your players for taking money, defend yourself from the allegations that the school was involved or knew about it.
Wow. And this goes EXACTLY to the point of this thread. If this is the way the NCAA operates or you think it should operate...then serious reform is needed because that's a sham of a due process if you're going to be punished more for asserting your defense. Soviet style-Spanish Inquisition-Cops on TV justice..."if you admit, we'll go easy...if you present a defense, we'll give you life."
And all you know at this point is that Bush didn't cooperate. So not only is USC being punished for the alleged crime of Bush but they're being punished because they didn't have the power or authority to compel a grown man to confess. Brilliant. I have no idea why any sane person would support this faux-process in this country.
You're actually advocating false-confessions (which happen all the time in real life btw.)
This post was edited on 6/22/11 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 6/22/11 at 1:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
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not without NCAA approval, and UNC cooperated
in that case I can see why they werent hit with LOIC
Posted on 6/22/11 at 1:42 pm to Trojan Ace
U still mad 
Posted on 6/22/11 at 1:44 pm to Zamoro10
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It's better to purposefully break rules and once you get outed - admit you're a criminal and beg for mercy than...
UNC "purposefully" broke the rules, now?
your analogy fails due to your horrible framing
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not purposefully break rules and once a yahoo reporter outs one of your players for taking money, defend yourself from the allegations that the school was involved or knew about it.
USC stone-walled the NCAA. they did the absolute minimum and refused to admit any wrongdoing
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that's a sham of a due process
if USC was innocent, then they would have been exonerated. there was an investigation AND appeal
USC had plenty of due process
and USC's defense was, what? they didn't have a god process of handling or monitoring their football players? that is a violation in itself
USC had players do stupid shite. they had monitoring procedures. they suspended the players. they reported their errors. i don't know what else you want schools to do in these situations
Posted on 6/22/11 at 2:01 pm to Trojan Ace
Every convict in the Penitentiary thinks their trial was unfair and/or their sentencing too severe!!
This post was edited on 6/22/11 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 6/22/11 at 3:01 pm to Zamoro10
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sham of a due process if you're going to be punished more for asserting your defense. Soviet style-Spanish Inquisition-Cops on TV justice..."if you admit, we'll go easy...if you present a defense, we'll give you life."
No it's not. There is no lack of due process. You're saying that criminals that defend themselves instead of taking a plea bargain are also wrongly convicted? that's what you're basically advocating. They are being "more punished" for defending themselves than taking a plea bargain (self-imposing penalties), so we should let them go free as well right?
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. I think that's the best solution to this situation. If someone outs your student, don't just put your fingers in your ears and yell 'I CAN"T HEAR YOU!" repeatedly. That's not addressing the issue.
Seriously, what was USC's defense? We didn't know so you can't punish us for that? That sucks as a defense since they have compliance officials that are supposed to investigate those sorts of rumors.
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