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re: To All CFB fans regarding the NCAA
Posted on 6/18/11 at 8:27 am to townhallsavoy
Posted on 6/18/11 at 8:27 am to townhallsavoy
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There should be a concrete, definitive list of punishments that fit each crime.
you know who votes on these rules/punishments, right?
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but if they did, they would no longer have the power to hurt programs they feel the need to hurt.
again, you know who gives the power to the NCAA, right?
you know who has the power to strip the NCAA's powers, changes the rules, or clarify the rules, right?
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Posted on 6/18/11 at 8:38 am to SlowFlowPro
What's your point?
The system is corrupt and ineffective.
Right.
The system is corrupt and ineffective.
Right.
Posted on 6/18/11 at 8:44 am to Trojan Ace
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This is about UCLA, Notre Dame, Texas, LSU, Florida, Penn State, Ohio State, and all institutions of higher learning being policed by a system of mandates where the punishment in many instances does not fit the issues at hand
I'm all for that. I think we need better and more comprehensive enforcement and harsher punishments to be a real deterrent. Cause what's being done now obviously isn't stopping anyone.
Ban USC, Ohio St. and Auburn (when it eventually comes down...and it will) from television for two years in addition to the scholarships. Another violation and it's the death penalty.
If that's what you'll be lobbying for I'm with ya'.
The rationalization of cheating has got to be ended. It's getting out of hand.
I'm so sick
Posted on 6/18/11 at 8:48 am to Tiger Ugly
I agree that harsher punishments need to be implemented.
However, the NCAA should be more adept at investigating and monitoring programs from the start. No reason why it took so long for the Reggie Bush case to be investigated and settled. If the NCAA had a closer monitor on programs (which they have the money to do), they would have seen immediately that USC was not monitoring its program correctly and that players were receiving benefits.
Also, TV bans, scholarship reductions, and probations mean nothing to the people causing problems.
You really want to hit them where it hurts? Ban the coaches, boosters, and athletic department employees from being involved in any way with NCAA functions.
Oh, and good luck waiting on Auburn to get nailed. You might want to order the extra large popcorn that gets free refills. You'll be in that seat a while.
However, the NCAA should be more adept at investigating and monitoring programs from the start. No reason why it took so long for the Reggie Bush case to be investigated and settled. If the NCAA had a closer monitor on programs (which they have the money to do), they would have seen immediately that USC was not monitoring its program correctly and that players were receiving benefits.
Also, TV bans, scholarship reductions, and probations mean nothing to the people causing problems.
You really want to hit them where it hurts? Ban the coaches, boosters, and athletic department employees from being involved in any way with NCAA functions.
Oh, and good luck waiting on Auburn to get nailed. You might want to order the extra large popcorn that gets free refills. You'll be in that seat a while.
Posted on 6/18/11 at 8:49 am to Tiger Ugly
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The rationalization of cheating has got to be ended. It's getting out of hand
Pretty much. If the NCAA folks can't control their own then the politicians in Washington will be more than happy to oblige.
What a clusterfrick that would be.
Posted on 6/18/11 at 8:56 am to townhallsavoy
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However, the NCAA should be more adept at investigating and monitoring programs from the start.
Agreed, hence by comment about better and more comprehensive enforcement.
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Also, TV bans, scholarship reductions, and probations mean nothing to the people causing problems
the t.v. ban hasn't been used in football in over 20 years. Coupled with scholarship reductons is better and more deterring than what is being done now. Exposure is huge to these schools. However, I'm all for your other suggestions. LSU banned some boosters in their basketball probation, and I didn't have an issue with it. I did have an issue with other schools who did as bad or worse at around the same time (Cincy and Huggy Bear for instance) getting next to nothing.
Posted on 6/18/11 at 9:00 am to Tiger Ugly
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LSU banned some boosters in their basketball probation, and I didn't have an issue with it. I did have an issue with other schools who did as bad or worse at around the same time (Cincy and Huggy Bear for instance) getting next to nothing.
Exactly the problem. There is no equity in punishing offenders because it isn't standardized.
And it should be.
As far as any major CF program getting the death penalty, it just isn't good for the game. I would hate to see a program like Alabama, Michigan, Nebraska or Texas get sanctioned out of existence. What college football fan would?
Posted on 6/18/11 at 9:14 am to loweralabamatrojan
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I would hate to see a program like Alabama, Michigan, Nebraska or Texas get sanctioned out of existence. What college football fan would?
While I can see that argument, you gotta make a stand against this blatant and brazen cheating. If you don't want the death penalty give me something that deters. There are some creative minds here...whaddya got.
Posted on 6/18/11 at 9:24 am to Tiger Ugly
I would be naive to think that in a multimillion dollar business (which is what college football is), people aren't going to try to game the system.
I really don't have the answer. I think the way the institution is set up (with amateurism being the sacred cow for the NCAA) kids are going to have their hands out, and boosters/agents/people with money who want their services will be happy to give, as long as they are not held accountable.
I really don't have the answer. I think the way the institution is set up (with amateurism being the sacred cow for the NCAA) kids are going to have their hands out, and boosters/agents/people with money who want their services will be happy to give, as long as they are not held accountable.
Posted on 6/18/11 at 10:48 am to loweralabamatrojan
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would hate to see a program like Alabama, Michigan, Nebraska or Texas get sanctioned out of existence. What college football fan would?
Those that are in this thread complaining that the NCAA doesn't follow "precedent" and throwing around words like Due Process, equitable treatment, universal standard, and fairness?
Posted on 6/18/11 at 11:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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There should be a concrete, definitive list of punishments that fit each crime.
you know who votes on these rules/punishments, right?
Nobody votes on the punishments...what are you trying to peddle? You act like every institution sits there at a round table and every university has representation in enforcement issues.
There is no voting on how rules are enforced which is why you have out of control disparate punishments for the SAME crime for different universities.
EVEN worse, without representation or so-called voting, the NCAA created a NEW standard and NEW crime in the MIDDLE of an enforcement issue against USC without consulting ANY member universities. They changed the goalposts unilaterally because that was the only way to make things stick against USC.
Lets face it, the NCAA IS represented by a Cabal of butthurt jealous ninnies...that their favorite little school wasn't getting love and affection. It's losers passing judgment on winners.
This post was edited on 6/18/11 at 11:44 am
Posted on 6/18/11 at 12:16 pm to Zamoro10
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Lets face it, the NCAA IS represented by a Cabal of butthurt jealous ninnies...that their favorite little school wasn't getting love and affection. It's losers passing judgment on winners.
you sound completely objective and unbiased
Posted on 6/18/11 at 12:23 pm to jacks40
it is unreal how big of bitches the USC posters/fans have turned into to about NCAA sanctions..
where was this outrage when it was any other school but USC.. i wonder how many USC supporters UCLA would have if this were their agenda..
where was this outrage when it was any other school but USC.. i wonder how many USC supporters UCLA would have if this were their agenda..
Posted on 6/18/11 at 12:57 pm to townhallsavoy
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No reason why it took so long for the Reggie Bush case to be investigated and settled
reggie ducking the NCAA and USC not cooperating is why it took so long
Posted on 6/18/11 at 12:57 pm to townhallsavoy
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What's your point?
The system is corrupt and ineffective.
it is "the system" of every school who gets punished
so every team who ends up hurt is complicit in the alleged corruption and ineffectiveness
Posted on 6/18/11 at 1:00 pm to Zamoro10
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Nobody votes on the punishments...what are you trying to peddle? You act like every institution sits there at a round table and every university has representation in enforcement issues.
it would be quite easy for the members to vote on specific punishments for specific indiscretions
leaving the punishment to an executive mechanism is a choice of the members. it was their vote to defer
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EVEN worse, without representation or so-called voting, the NCAA created a NEW standard and NEW crime in the MIDDLE of an enforcement issue against USC without consulting ANY member universities
well then USC should take it up with its fellow member institutions and make the rules/punishments more clear
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Lets face it, the NCAA IS represented by a Cabal of butthurt jealous ninnies
the NCAA is represented by USC, LSU, and every other member institution
Posted on 6/18/11 at 1:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it is "the system" of every school who gets punished
so every team who ends up hurt is complicit in the alleged corruption and ineffectiveness
I never said they weren't.
The entire thing needs an overhaul.
I also propose that the schools fund an outside, unaffiliated source to monitor their compliance.
Posted on 6/18/11 at 1:06 pm to townhallsavoy
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I also propose that the schools fund an outside, unaffiliated source to monitor their compliance.
that will lead to the very thing the USC posters are implying exists now
we'd have a likely corrupt third party with no accountability or regulation by members
Posted on 6/18/11 at 1:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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that will lead to the very thing the USC posters are implying exists now
we'd have a likely corrupt third party with no accountability or regulation by members
Possibly.
But in my opinion, it'd be better than having members checking themselves to see if they're in compliance.
USC may have violated a rule.
USC's compliance department checks itself to see if it violated a rule.
USC's compliance department says it didn't violate a rule and even if it did, it had no way to know that it did.
NCAA disagrees and punishes the shite out of USC.
USC questions the NCAA because USC is part of a system that makes the NCAA exist.
USC gets fricked anyway.
Posted on 6/18/11 at 1:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I also propose that the schools fund an outside, unaffiliated source to monitor their compliance.
that will lead to the very thing the USC posters are implying exists now
we'd have a likely corrupt third party with no accountability or regulation by members
True. This is a worse idea.
The Appeals committee is supposed to provide oversight review with reps not affiliated with the investigative process but it's unclear how independent they really are.
There's not much voice/representation of any one university in such a large system which is why schools usually have to resort to suing.
This post was edited on 6/18/11 at 1:27 pm
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