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re: To All CFB fans regarding the NCAA
Posted on 6/17/11 at 11:15 am to loweralabamatrojan
Posted on 6/17/11 at 11:15 am to loweralabamatrojan
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Posted on 6/17/11 at 11:24 am to Trojan Ace
I agree the NCAA has problems with enforcement - esp uniformity of how the rules are enforced or violations are punished
But I'm not sure I see how your consortium actually intends to effectively lobby for reform.
And btw - these two sentences are comedy GOLD:
But I'm not sure I see how your consortium actually intends to effectively lobby for reform.
And btw - these two sentences are comedy GOLD:
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One thing that needs to be made clear in this process is that this is not just about the University of Southern California and the sanctions levied on the Trojans.
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One of the first goals of this group is also the immediate suspension of the enforcement of all penalties currently being instituted on all sports programs at NCAA member schools.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 11:45 am to Trojan Ace
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The rest of your post is inane garbage, showing a very naive understanding of the lack of due process and inequality of how the NCAA works.
Bingo, his posts seem to consistently be obtuse about issues that are not black and white, but in fact historically and currently, shades of grey. Using our legal rights and lobbying efforts is how we solve these type of problems in this country. It's how the federal sentencing guidelines have been reduced and why the BCS is being investigated.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 11:50 am to Zamoro10
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Using our legal rights and lobbying efforts is how we solve these type of problems in this country.
generally speaking I think lobbying and lawsuits do more harm than good in the US
There are cases where they perform essential functions but generally speaking lobbying results in pork spending and inconsistent laws... and lawsuits are more often frivolous than helpful
IMO the biggest issue might be that universities are busily saying they want the importance of the student athlete emphasized and integrity placed ahead of profits... but really run their universities in a fashion completely the opposite of that
with that backdrop of hypocrisy I'm not sure the NCAA is really the one to blame for inconsistency
Posted on 6/17/11 at 11:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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you know what USC can do? leave the NCAA
USC VOLUNTARILY joined the organization. nobodoy put a gun to its head to force joinder
YES, and USC and all other schools voluntarily joined when the NCAA decided CFB should barely be on TV - in their wisdom. Sometimes organizations you join and things you become part of become corrupt and idiotic in their power.
So, instead of your stupid solution, schools that wanted to be on TV more than once a year didn't leave the NCAA - the University of Oklahoma (and it's consortium) sued because the NCAA started to make decisions that were not in the best interests of member schools. And they won. And you get Boise State on Thursday night now...deal with it!
Posted on 6/17/11 at 11:59 am to molsusports
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generally speaking I think lobbying and lawsuits do more harm than good in the US
The people in this country mostly just hear about the bad lobbying efforts or power of tobacco/oil...but powerless need it more than the powerful.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 12:01 pm to Zamoro10
the powerful have more effective lobbyists... they have more money to buy them
Posted on 6/17/11 at 12:42 pm to Trojan Ace
quote:So you'd think SEC fans would be on board, but we understand that punishment is a result of breaking rules. Instead, USC fans would rather change the rules.
And finally NCAA infractions by conference since the 1950s.
SEC: 528
Rest of the country: 208
Posted on 6/17/11 at 12:46 pm to Zamoro10
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his posts seem to consistently be obtuse about issues that are not black and white
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Using our legal rights and lobbying efforts is how we solve these type of problems in this country
how is USC restricted from trying to solve your perceived problems in the organization it VOLUNTARILY is a part of?
why does a third party, who is not privy to that organization, have to step in? what rights does that party have to interfere with USC's association?
Posted on 6/17/11 at 12:50 pm to Zamoro10
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Sometimes organizations you join and things you become part of become corrupt and idiotic in their power.
why isn't USC doing something within the organization?
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YES, and USC and all other schools voluntarily joined when the NCAA decided CFB should barely be on TV
you do know that the parties on the other end of that lawsuit were sschools, right? it was OU and UGA
NCAA v. Board of Regents of Univ. of Oklahoma
so if USC wants to settle up, it has the same rights OU/UGA did in that suit
the arguments in taht suit have little to do with the arguments you are attempting, also, and the opinion backs what the NCAA is doing right now
Posted on 6/17/11 at 12:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/17/11 at 1:01 pm to GeauxTigersLee
he does, but he cites 1 case where the NCAA's decisions were overturned as some example of how any decision will be overturned
the lawsuit above dealt with restraint of trade, and there was a legitimate argument that established this restraint
arguing that the NCAA's rulemaking and enforcement mechanism violates due process is a completely different argument, and i'd wager he hasn't read NCAA v. OU to see how the USSC would almost assuredly not want to disrupt agreements formed between private parties willingly entering into the agreement
the USSC would have to find that the rulemaking and enforcement provisions of the NCAA are unreasonable restraints on trade, and who in here honestly believes this argument?
the lawsuit above dealt with restraint of trade, and there was a legitimate argument that established this restraint
arguing that the NCAA's rulemaking and enforcement mechanism violates due process is a completely different argument, and i'd wager he hasn't read NCAA v. OU to see how the USSC would almost assuredly not want to disrupt agreements formed between private parties willingly entering into the agreement
the USSC would have to find that the rulemaking and enforcement provisions of the NCAA are unreasonable restraints on trade, and who in here honestly believes this argument?
Posted on 6/17/11 at 1:06 pm to Trojan Ace
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A group of lobbyist, including myself, have begun a consortium to fight the NCAA
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Trojan Ace
THIS is the "stuff going down in DC" you kept spewing about as to why USC will keep its bcs championship?
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
whatever little cred you had is long, long gone.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 1:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
and that is the reason why USC isn't going to file a lawsuit that they can't win. Involving lobbyist groups is their only course of action, hoping that someone with legislative power will join their cause.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 1:28 pm to GeauxTigersLee
i don't even know what congress can do other than change labor/antitrust laws
Posted on 6/17/11 at 1:30 pm to Iamnick
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this sounds like a bunch of criminals trying to band together to get courts to throw out the whole "jail" thing and let everyone free...
Criminals uniting!?! Isn't that what they call the the Mafia?
Posted on 6/17/11 at 1:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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NCAA v. Board of Regents of Univ. of Oklahoma
In looking at your caselaw, realize that that is a suit brought about by the University.
This is a inquiry brought about by an outside entity.
Big difference.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 1:36 pm to Trojan Ace
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realize that that is a suit brought about by the University.
This is a inquiry brought about by an outside entity.
one has standing, the other doesn't
and the standing issue was heavily argued, even with a MEMBER arguing
what is a 3rd party going to do? honestly?
what is the goal?
to get congress to change the antitrust laws?
Posted on 6/17/11 at 1:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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realize that that is a suit brought about by the University.
This is a inquiry brought about by an outside entity.
one has standing, the other doesn't
and the standing issue was heavily argued, even with a MEMBER arguing
what is a 3rd party going to do? honestly?
what is the goal?
to get congress to change the antitrust laws?
Just watch how it plays out. I'll let you know more as this progresses.
Have a great weekend.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 1:50 pm to Trojan Ace
Nice response.
I'm really glad you're championing this cause for us.
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