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re: The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office cancels the Redskins trademark
Posted on 6/18/14 at 9:45 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 6/18/14 at 9:45 am to TigerinATL
I like when threads like this roll around and ballscaster can run his mouth about how much better he is than everyone else.
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 9:46 am to TigerinATL
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The government isn't saying you can't use the phrase or call your business Redskins, they're just saying you can't own Redskins as intellectual property and then sue other people that attempt to use the phrase. Actually if anything Trademarks themselves are a violation of free speech because it's the government telling you aren't allowed to use a phrase under penalty of law. It's a violation most of us accept and consider a good thing, but philosophically speaking, the government giving one entity a monopoly on a phrase is the antithesis of free speech.
I agree to an extent, and one of the most famous founding fathers, Ben Franklin (who never patented his inventions and believe in free flowing ideas and "piggybacking") would agree with you as well.
But if the government is going to protect any trademarks at all, they would need to protect all of them IMO. Picking and choosing based on the values of a sect of society seems like a dangerous thing to me.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 9:49 am to TigerinATL
quote:They are not giving one entity a monopoly on a phrase. They are giving one entity the right to make money off of their brand, and nobody else in a like industry can profit from their brand without their permission.
The government isn't saying you can't use the phrase or call your business Redskins, they're just saying you can't own Redskins as intellectual property and then sue other people that attempt to use the phrase. Actually if anything Trademarks themselves are a violation of free speech because it's the government telling you that you aren't allowed to use a phrase under penalty of law. It's a violation most of us accept and consider a good thing, but philosophically speaking, the government giving one entity a monopoly on a phrase is the antithesis of free speech.
That's not an issue of free speech. It's a commerce issue.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 9:49 am to Ba Ba Boooey
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Too bad I'm not a lawyer. I'd love to file a thousand suits against trademarks that 'offend' me.
knock yourself out...since when did it become mandatory to be a lawyer to file a lawsuit?
Posted on 6/18/14 at 9:49 am to ballscaster
are the ATL Braves racist?
Posted on 6/18/14 at 9:49 am to ballscaster
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The government isn't saying you can't use the phrase or call your business Redskins, they're just saying you can't own Redskins as intellectual property and then sue other people that attempt to use the phrase. Actually if anything Trademarks themselves are a violation of free speech because it's the government telling you aren't allowed to use a phrase under penalty of law. It's a violation most of us accept and consider a good thing, but philosophically speaking, the government giving one entity a monopoly on a phrase is the antithesis of free speech.
exactly. the patent and trademark system as it exists is the antithesis of small government, which many on here claim to support but suddenly become lefties looking to the feds to protect Dan Snyder's right to monopolize a racists nickname.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 9:50 am to hendersonshands
Interesting.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 9:50 am to Draconian Sanctions
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exactly. the patent and trademark system as it exists is the antithesis of small government, which many on here claim to support but suddenly become lefties looking to the feds to protect Dan Snyder's right to monopolize a racists nickname.
it's not like they're the Asian Town Chinks or something like that. A Redskin is not a racist term to belittle someone.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 9:51 am to Byron Bojangles III
Are baseball fans considered a race? Because that's the only group thay would be offended by the braves and their strike out parade.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 9:51 am to Draconian Sanctions
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exactly. the patent and trademark system as it exists is the antithesis of small government, which many on here claim to support but suddenly become lefties looking to the feds to protect Dan Snyder's right to monopolize a racists nickname.
I don't necessarily agree with trademarking, but my stance is that if it's being enforced, it needs to be enforced equally. No picking and choosing.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 9:52 am to Byron Bojangles III
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are the ATL Braves racist
I don't think the term brave is.
But i also don't see cheif noc-a-homa around anymore either.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 9:52 am to ProjectP2294
you know what i mean
Posted on 6/18/14 at 9:52 am to DzNtz
This is about money. When the NFL realizes that the name is costing the league and teams money it will be changed. This is not about free speech or political correctness it's about money and soon the name redskins will cost the league money and it will be changed and what you think or feel about it won't matter.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 9:53 am to Byron Bojangles III
I do. But the braves playing style is still offensive.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 9:53 am to ProjectP2294
touche
Posted on 6/18/14 at 9:53 am to hendersonshands
Can we now sell our own Redskins gear and make bank?
Posted on 6/18/14 at 9:54 am to hendersonshands
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AfricanAmericanhorse
Posted on 6/18/14 at 9:57 am to ballscaster
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I know for a fact that I'm using the word correctly. The shot you have fired came nowhere close to its target.
Uh, tell me how a word used in reference to a sports team relates to the concept of inherent racial superiority or inferiority?
Posted on 6/18/14 at 9:58 am to hendersonshands
Forget any of the REAL problems of the day! THIS is the important fight!!!! I suspect that the word "Redskin" for anyone under the age of 50 is SOLELY associated with Washington's football team. The only reason today's "progressive" knows/thinks it's offensive is because someone told them such.
Personally I don't care if they change the name or not. However, I'm siding with the owner on this if for no other reason other than I am sick of being lectured about what I should and shouldn't find offensive.
A moniker that likely was associated with "racism" 80+ years ago, that today is used in NO OTHER CONTEXT besides identifying a football team = we should be HIGHLY offended
Guys parading in city streets with arse-less chaps performing various acts which would be considered vile for persons of any sexual orientation all in the name of "pride" = We need to be tolerant of other people's beliefs
Personally I don't care if they change the name or not. However, I'm siding with the owner on this if for no other reason other than I am sick of being lectured about what I should and shouldn't find offensive.
A moniker that likely was associated with "racism" 80+ years ago, that today is used in NO OTHER CONTEXT besides identifying a football team = we should be HIGHLY offended
Guys parading in city streets with arse-less chaps performing various acts which would be considered vile for persons of any sexual orientation all in the name of "pride" = We need to be tolerant of other people's beliefs
Posted on 6/18/14 at 9:58 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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When the NFL realizes that the name is costing the league and teams money it will be changed.
Is it really costing the league and team money, though? Its a big talking point right now, but are fans actually changing the way they spend money on the Redskins and the NFL based on this issue?
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