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The MSB Should love this story about James Harden

Posted on 12/16/20 at 8:48 am
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 12/16/20 at 8:48 am
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Maybe I was wrong about Harden being a team cancer.


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THE HOUSTON ROCKETS' culture in the James Harden era, which bridges two owners and now four head coaches, might be best summed up by a former staffer's three words:



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"Whatever James wants."



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Unless they were on the front end of a back-to-back set, it was essentially a sure thing that the Rockets stayed overnight -- or even an extra day -- after games in Los Angeles, Phoenix and other road cities that rank among Harden's favorite stops.

If the Rockets had two or three days between games, it was a good bet Harden would call for an off day and charter a private jet to party in Las Vegas or another city. He always gets an excused absence from the first practice after the All-Star break for the same reason.
"Just James being James," those currently within the franchise say. But these circumstances are drastically different than at any previous point of the perennial All-Star's eight-year Houston tenure.

Harden has pushed the Rockets to upgrade every offseason, saying he would want to be traded if they couldn't contend, sources said. And he had final say on things beyond just travel and practice schedules as well. He could call the shots on personnel moves, both on the roster and the coaching staff, a power he flexed to push for the firing of head coach Kevin McHale and departures of co-stars Dwight Howard and Chris Paul, sources said.




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And the Rockets considered it good business to do what Harden wanted to keep a historically elite player happy. But when Harden tried to rush the Rockets to trade him in recent weeks despite the lack of an offer that they considered fair value, it wasn't the annual ultimatum for improvement. It was something more.

By leaving the Rockets twisting in the wind while camp opened with little communication, Harden made his absence the focus of rookie head coach Stephen Silas' first days of practice. And by blowing off the NBA's COVID-19 protocols, partying maskless during the pandemic and boasting about it on Instagram, Harden revealed what could come if he doesn't get his way.

"Yeah, he's going to act up," a former Rockets staffer said.




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"He's never heard 'no' before."




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MULTIPLE ROCKETS OFFICIALS acknowledge that the entire organization has been "complicit" in the culture that has been created over the past eight years.

"We knew who the boss of the organization was," a former Rockets assistant coach said. "That's just part of what the deal was when you go to Houston. The players, coaches, GM, owner all know.

"I don't blame James. I blame the organization. It's not his fault. He did what they allowed him to do."

Yet there is not a consensus among current and former Rockets officials and staffers that empowering Harden to such extremes was the wrong path. The Rockets were trending toward NBA irrelevancy before Harden's arrival in Houston, missing the playoffs each of the previous three seasons.




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"If they have multiple days off, everybody knows: James is going to fly somewhere else and party," a member of last season's coaching staff said. "But he's going to come back and have a 50-point triple-double, so they're OK with it."



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But the lack of discipline and attention to detail hasn't been OK with Paul and Russell Westbrook, ultimately leading to breakups between Harden and those two stars.

The peak of the franchise's Harden era came during Paul's first season in Houston, when the Rockets had a league-best 65 wins during the regular season and built a 3-2 lead over the Golden State Warriors in the Western Conference finals. But the Rockets lost the last two games of that series with Paul sidelined -- "a hamstring away" is a phrase that will forever haunt Houston fans -- and the chemistry between the ball-dominant co-stars blew up the following season.

One of Paul's biggest beefs, sources said, was that Harden basically opted not to participate in the Rockets' offense when the ball wasn't in his hands, sometimes barely stepping over half court while spectating when Paul had the ball. Harden quickly tired of Paul barking about his concerns, which included lobbying coach Mike D'Antoni to implement more structure and movement in an offensive system that revolved around Harden's isolations, sources said.




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Rockets management believed those issues could be ironed out and wanted to run it back with the Harden-Paul duo last season. Those plans changed as soon as Westbrook became available.

Harden insisted the Rockets get the deal done, saying he'd demand a trade if they didn't find a way to bring his childhood friend and former OKC teammate to Houston, sources said. The Rockets paid a price that was considered steep at the time -- Paul, 2024 and 2026 first-round picks, and swap rights in 2021 and 2025.

Sources said Westbrook frequently expressed his displeasure during the season with not being able to "play my game," as he put it. There were questions about the Harden-Westbrook fit when they were pushing to play together again, including D'Antoni privately expressing his concerns, sources said.




Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 12/16/20 at 8:50 am to
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HOUSTON'S CASUAL CULTURE appalled Westbrook. In Oklahoma City, despite the fact that he enjoyed the same sort of superstar privileges as Harden has had in Houston, the Thunder operated with the discipline of a military unit under Westbrook's watch. The Rockets were a stark contrast, especially last season under D'Antoni, who was never known as a disciplinarian and who was a lame duck in the last year of his contract after extension negotiations infamously fizzled twice over the summer.
Westbrook didn't tolerate tardiness. With the Rockets, scheduled departure times were treated as mere suggestions by Harden and others.

"Nothing ever starts on time," a former Rockets staffer said. "The plane is always late. The bus is never on time. ... It's just an organized AAU team."
On one occasion in the Florida bubble, Harden waited to get his daily COVID-19 testing until just before the Rockets' film session was scheduled to start. When he wasn't on time, Westbrook barked, "Start the film! Start without him!" D'Antoni explained that they'd just have to start over when Harden arrived, which didn't do much to calm Westbrook.
Whether Westbrook or Harden wanted out first isn't clear, but they no longer wanted to play together, a season after the Rockets mortgaged their draft future to make it happen.



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You can't get mad at your kid if you let him eat candy every night and then suddenly one night you don't and they throw a tantrum," an ex-Houston assistant coach said. "You're the one who let them eat candy every night.
Posted by c on z
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Posted on 12/16/20 at 8:53 am to
Harden leadership
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 12/16/20 at 8:56 am to
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We knew who the boss of the organization was," a former Rockets assistant coach said. "That's just part of what the deal was when you go to Houston. The players, coaches, GM, owner all know.



I remember when there was post sayings “it isn’t Hardens team”



Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 12/16/20 at 8:58 am to
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 12/16/20 at 8:58 am to
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One of Paul's biggest beefs, sources said, was that Harden basically opted not to participate in the Rockets' offense when the ball wasn't in his hands, sometimes barely stepping over half court while spectating when Paul had the ball. Harden quickly tired of Paul barking about his concerns, which included lobbying coach Mike D'Antoni to implement more structure and movement in an offensive system that revolved around Harden's isolations, sources said.

what? you could never tell this was happening
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 12/16/20 at 8:59 am to
And Boom melts cause Kawhi lives in San Diego
Posted by WinnPtiger
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Posted on 12/16/20 at 9:00 am to
he has the emotional intelligence of a child
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 12/16/20 at 9:01 am to
I mean you could probably write a similar story about every superstar player in the league
Posted by TexasTiger08
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Posted on 12/16/20 at 9:02 am to
Allowing single players to dictate personnel moves, practice schedules, departure times, etc causes friction. Who knew?
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 12/16/20 at 9:04 am to
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what? you could never tell this was happening



I knew the Westbrook-Paul deal was 100% Harden. Harden made a stupid knee-jerk reaction and it costs the Rockets dearly.

I also didn't know the extent to which the organizational culture had fallen to where former players saw it as a concern and abnormal for an NBA franchise. There have been hints by former players/coaches for several years.


Word is Morey bailed because he knew Harden wouldn't like being told no and would want out.

Ultimately this comes across as more positive for the current direction of the Rockets franchise because they've identified the issue and are taking steps to turn it around.
This post was edited on 12/16/20 at 9:06 am
Posted by mmonro3
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Posted on 12/16/20 at 9:04 am to
Defend this
Posted by GeauxAggie972
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Posted on 12/16/20 at 9:07 am to
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he has the emotional intelligence of a child


Makes sense why Pinata has an unhealthy, restraining order-esque crush on him.

It's also why Houston won't ever win a title with HardLn on the team
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 12/16/20 at 9:08 am to
since he has been in Houston I don’t think any player in the league has won more games. he has been continuously let down by his robin moreso than any other player I can remember. He wants a fresh start. They should just go ahead and get the Simmons deal done.
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 12/16/20 at 9:09 am to
Posted by shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 12/16/20 at 9:10 am to
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One of Paul's biggest beefs, sources said, was that Harden basically opted not to participate in the Rockets' offense when the ball wasn't in his hands, sometimes barely stepping over half court while spectating when Paul had the ball.
And this is why the offense looks inept in the 4th quarter of big postseason games. When Harden plays hot potato, the other guys are then playing 4 on 5. Good luck with that.
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 12/16/20 at 9:10 am to
I wish I could find someone to love me as much as James loves strip clubs
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
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Posted on 12/16/20 at 9:14 am to
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run it back


Most overused phrase of 2020
Posted by Epic Cajun
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Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 12/16/20 at 9:17 am to
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I mean you could probably write a similar story about every superstar player in the league
I think we all know that superstars get favorable treatment, but they don't all use it "slack off" or be unprofessional.

This story even stated that Westbrook got favorable treatment in OKC, but he didn't use that treatment to cancel team meetings/practices so that he could party, or delay flights, meetings, etc...

ETA: imagine how good Harden could be if he cared about basketball as much as he cares about strippers
This post was edited on 12/16/20 at 9:20 am
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 12/16/20 at 9:20 am to
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This story even stated that Westbrook got favorable treatment in OKC, but he didn't use that treatment to cancel team meetings/practices so that he could party, or delay flights, meetings, etc...



Correct. It sounds like it was a uniquely enabling culture even in terms of superstar treatment.

I don't like LeBron but he doesn't come across as a lazy unprofessional guy. I can't imagine anyone questioning his punctuality.

It's frustrating as a Rockets fan because this culture might have cost the Rockets a championship. They had all the ingredients and James just had to buy in. He has all the talent in the world but apparently little discipline or ability to connect with the team.
This post was edited on 12/16/20 at 9:22 am
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