re: The ATL Thread: Offseason

Everyone’s emotional right now

So there’s gonna be some wild takes lol

For everyone bashing AA... I’m sorry but he’s absolutely made the right moves

Signing TDA - great move
Not signing Donaldson - great move
Signing Ozuna - great move
Hamels - not great. Can’t predict injuries
Not trading for clevinger - great move. This is the last that guy will be talked about with envy from opposing teams

He didn’t make a crazy move this trade deadline bc there was simply no one to trade for
Lance Lynn? Mike Minor? Lol Jesus Christ

He did the right thing and we got to see a glimpse of what we’ve got. Wright blew up one game but otherwise did pretty great til then. Wilson showed he does have what it takes. They are both close to putting it all together

Pache has made Ender dispensable and has shown we have a CF for 10 years

We just need to resign Ozuna and get a few more arms and we are set. Especially with Waters hopefully coming up next year and Contreras among others. Also every player on the team should continue to improve as they are not even in their primes yet except for Freddie. And if we don’t resign Ozuna but use the money to improve at other positions that can still make us better overall too

As fricked as any team that doesn't re-sign a clubhouse leader and MVP candidate.

So in the case of the 2019 Nationals, maybe we're not fricked at all, but chances are it would frick us.

Regarding Ozuna, are we putting the cart before the horse here? Let’s wait for the universal DH to be made permanent at least.

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I feel that he was content with going through the process and having a good year while building for the future.

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And I honestly get that... to an extent.

However, we can't use that as an excuse anymore. Our farm is a lot more barren than it was just two years ago. Pretty much all of the players that we've been excited about over the last 4 years are in the majors now. There is no building for the future anymore, it's all about the present. Making it to the NLCS was a good first step, now we have to capitalize.

If AA/Liberty Media are content on cost-efficient moves that don't make the team better, what's the point? They can't sell us on "future financial flexibility" anymore.

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I would call the Red Sox and offer Riley, Waters, and any other prospects not named Pache or Anderson for Devers. Red Sox will say no but I would try moving Riley and Waters together for an all star. Riley is going to have to shorten his swing and I’m not the biggest fan of Waters walk and k rate in the minors.

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I'm not ready to give up on Riley yet.

He has had a stretch each of the past two seasons where he was our hottest hitter. And he plays 3B well enough.

He could very easily become a .250/30 HR guy, which is just a tick below what Donaldson gave us a year ago.

There just weren’t any worth a damn available

I’m not a big Clevinger fan. Especially for any prospects that I’m sure they would’ve asked for from Atlanta. Like I said I think this is the last time we will talk about wishing we would’ve went for him. And he was basically the ONLY starting pitcher on the market as teams really overvalued their players or weren’t willing to make any moves cause of this different season

As far as Waters goes... I’m just as excited to see what he can do when he comes up as I was for Ian Anderson. I think Waters will be a really great player.

I think based on what we’ve seen from the young pitchers, the offensive core we’ve assembled, return of Soroka, etc. it’s time to make a big trade for a difference maker. Riley, Waters, Langeliers, Muller, Wright, Davidson should all should be in play imo.

I would not deal Pache, Anderson or Contreras.

There's no way in hell he knows what his market is going to be yet.

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I would call the Red Sox and offer Riley, Waters, and any other prospects not named Pache or Anderson for Devers. Red Sox will say no but I would try moving Riley and Waters together for an all star. Riley is going to have to shorten his swing and I’m not the biggest fan of Waters walk and k rate in the minors.

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I don't want any part of any of that, personally. For one thing, if you're not enamored with Waters' walk and K rates (I'm not either), you should be equally as concerned about Pache's, because their rates have pretty much mirrored each other's. Pache is an all world defender, so we've been told (haven't really seen evidence of that yet, but I'm sure it's true) but Waters is a far superior baserunner, who has also gets way more extra base hits. In short, I don't want to trade either player, but I prefer Waters' all around game over Pache, as of right now.

And lastly, all of that for the particular player in question. Devers? The guy has some power, but he's not a great hitter, overall, and he takes advantage of those short porches in Fenway. On top of that, he's the worst defensive third baseman in baseball. He has made tons and tons of errors.

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Devers has put up 8.2 war in just 392 big league games. He has 3 years of control left and turns 24 in a couple of days. Waters is a huge boom or bust prospect and it might take a few years for him to figure it out. The Braves can’t play both him, Pache, and Riley going forward. The bottom of the lineup could be an issue going forward with that.

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"war" is an imaginary stat. The guy is a .270 hitter, playing in a hitters paradise, and is the worst defensive third baseman in the game. The Braves do not get better by adding him. Taking out two guys who are at or near major league level from the organization, for one player who makes you demonstrably worse on defense is not a trade I want any part of. Trade those two guys for Nolan Arenado, who's still young enough, and I'll sign off. But that wouldn't be enough to get Arenado.

And I'll repeat that I believe Waters has a better overall game than Pache. I don't know why you consider Waters a boom or bust, but not Pache.