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re: The ATL Thread | Offseason Edition
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:21 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:21 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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Lot of fear and panic and overreaction ITT from the usual suspects .
Please direct me to where I'm showing fear.
Sorry you don't like hearing that your lord and savior made a bad business move.
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Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:43 pm to RunningJacket
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The American draft is just a fools errand outside of a few gems
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The Orioles… They’ve built it up
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:52 pm to sorantable
Flexibility to keep being competitive and not fall off the map for 8 years which happens to most teams. The Braves have had a window for 5 years now and it will remain open for another 5. And they already banked a title early in that window. Meanwhile, the Phils and Mets have won nothing and their window is much shorter.
Yes, the Braves appear to be cheap when you compare them to Dodgers and Yankees. But, what moves have the Phillies made? None, because they have zero flexibility. The Mets made a splash with Soto, but they are gonna lose Alonso. The Giants grabbed the shortstop. Great. But they have nothing else. The Dodgers and Yankees print money so no one can compete with them dollar for dollar. The Brewers are losing pieces and the Padres have no pitching. Meanwhile, the Braves will get Acuna, Riley, Álbies, and Strider back. And then the crapshoot of October happens. On paper and in the bank room the Dodgers should win every year. Let’s see.
Yes, the Braves appear to be cheap when you compare them to Dodgers and Yankees. But, what moves have the Phillies made? None, because they have zero flexibility. The Mets made a splash with Soto, but they are gonna lose Alonso. The Giants grabbed the shortstop. Great. But they have nothing else. The Dodgers and Yankees print money so no one can compete with them dollar for dollar. The Brewers are losing pieces and the Padres have no pitching. Meanwhile, the Braves will get Acuna, Riley, Álbies, and Strider back. And then the crapshoot of October happens. On paper and in the bank room the Dodgers should win every year. Let’s see.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 9:49 pm to RunningJacket
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Meanwhile, the Phils and Mets have won nothing and their window is much shorter.
How is the Mets' window "much shorter"?
They have Soto locked up for eternity and Lindor locked up through 2031
Posted on 12/12/24 at 7:31 am to Broski
So two players will give them a window? The Angels tried that with the 2 best players in the sport. The Mets got hot at the right time, just like the Braves did in 2021. Difference is they came up short just like the Braves have since. Which roster has a better chance to keep doing it? The Mets pitching is highly suspect. The Braves staff ain’t stellar but having Sale, Schwellenbach, and Strider at the top come October should give us a shot unless 2 of those 3 disappear once again.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 7:49 am to RunningJacket
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So two players will give them a window? The Angels tried that with the 2 best players in the sport. The Mets got hot at the right time, just like the Braves did in 2021. Difference is they came up short just like the Braves have since. Which roster has a better chance to keep doing it? The Mets pitching is highly suspect.
You're assuming this Mets roster is what it will look like a year or two from now. It will probably even look different a couple of weeks from now.
Our roster is more of a finished product that we have a few gaps to fill on.
They were 2 games away from the World Series with a worse roster than they will have when games start this coming season.
They've got a really good GM and an owner who is smart and will spend money.
We were 2 players (Sale and Ozuna) away from absolute disaster last season. And do really feel 100% comfortable with either? I don't. I don't think Sale will just magically be the super healthy guy for us now, and I'm still waiting on the bottom to fall out on Ozuna or for him to do something stupid again.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 7:52 am to Broski
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It's not just that we lost MLB's most productive 1B and a clubhouse leader by not paying Freddie, it's that we then had to deplete our farm to make a big trade just to get worse at 1B.
And that's not meant as a slight towards Olson, he's a good 1B, but he's not as productive as Freddie.
I really am becoming a broken record because I constantly feel like I'm saying this, but then it keeps getting brought up by people who don't seem to grasp the chain reaction that occurred simply because we didn't keep Freddie.
This, and also there have been times where this team has desperately needed a super consistent bat to just put the ball in play..... that was Freddie. That is not Olson.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 8:19 am to VolSquatch
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They've got a really good GM
So do we.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 8:22 am to SteelerBravesDawg
So who is on our short list of LF additions?
I would love Profar, but I'm sure he is searching for more $ after his career year only made 1mil last season. But big or small FA signing, we have to add at least one OF.
I would love Profar, but I'm sure he is searching for more $ after his career year only made 1mil last season. But big or small FA signing, we have to add at least one OF.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 8:28 am to SteelerBravesDawg
Who some on here, not naming anyone, HIGHLY overrate. He is a good GM generally though, in a league with a lot of unspectacular and bad GMs.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 10:47 am to RunningJacket
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So two players will give them a window? The Angels tried that with the 2 best players in the sport
Jesus Christ are you really THAT dense?
The Mets current situation and what the Angels were with Ohtani/Trout are two completely different scenarios.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 10:51 am to bailey4442
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So who is on our short list of LF additions?
I would love Profar, but I'm sure he is searching for more $ after his career year only made 1mil last season. But big or small FA signing, we have to add at least one OF.
Probably something like a Max Kepler/Laureano platoon. Underwhelming, but other options are quickly flying off the board. I do wonder if the Braves are going to use this as a tax reset year like the Dodgers did in 2023.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 11:16 am to VADawg
The Braves and Mets are both poised to be playoff teams for the foreseeable future because 6 teams get in and there is a discernible gap between the top NL teams and the others. The Dodgers, Braves, Mets, Padres are probably shoo ins. The Phillies are right there as well. Then who? Brewers? Cardinals? DBacks? Giants?
The playoffs are a total crapshoot. You cannot build a team for the post season because stars turn into duds and bench players turn into MVP’s. What you CAN control, to a point, is being healthy and having your players available for the playoffs. The Braves have sucked at this.
Sale winning the CY while sitting in street clothes in October shows the Braves totally mismanaged him. It’s one thing to lose a guy who gets plunked like Riley, but you have to manage your pitchers to be available. If that means using AA and AAA guys throughout the season then do it so guys like Sale and Strider are building up for the only games that matter.
Sure, we made the playoffs then we pitched a AAA pitcher in game 1 who lasted an inning then we pitched our so called Ace who lasted 2 innings. All that matters for the Braves come October 2025 is who is available to play when the playoffs start. The regular season is just a 6 month formality.
The playoffs are a total crapshoot. You cannot build a team for the post season because stars turn into duds and bench players turn into MVP’s. What you CAN control, to a point, is being healthy and having your players available for the playoffs. The Braves have sucked at this.
Sale winning the CY while sitting in street clothes in October shows the Braves totally mismanaged him. It’s one thing to lose a guy who gets plunked like Riley, but you have to manage your pitchers to be available. If that means using AA and AAA guys throughout the season then do it so guys like Sale and Strider are building up for the only games that matter.
Sure, we made the playoffs then we pitched a AAA pitcher in game 1 who lasted an inning then we pitched our so called Ace who lasted 2 innings. All that matters for the Braves come October 2025 is who is available to play when the playoffs start. The regular season is just a 6 month formality.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 11:46 am to VADawg
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Probably something like a Max Kepler/Laureano platoon. Underwhelming, but other options are quickly flying off the board. I do wonder if the Braves are going to use this as a tax reset year like the Dodgers did in 2023.
In a way, I can understand that strategy if they figure that Acuña and Strider aren’t going to be available to start the season, and they really don’t know what to expect from them once they are. Of course, that is kinda wasteful of guys like Sale and Osuna.
Read an article yesterday talking about Morton resigning being less likely. While I see the value his innings bring, to me what the Braves need is a playoff starter and we know Morton’s not it.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 11:51 am to RunningJacket
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All that matters for the Braves come October 2025 is who is available to play when the playoffs start. The regular season is just a 6 month formality.
You have to qualify for the playoffs for this to matter. I have never seen a team try to manage and baby its pitching staff like the Braves did last season by constantly building in extra rest days.
The Braves actively punted games last season to save their pitching staff just like you're suggesting, and they found themselves having to scramble to even get in the field at the end.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 12:19 pm to VADawg
We really need to stop engaging with his lunacy.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 6:00 pm to VADawg
They had to scramble a little because they lost Riley unexpectedly. This season the odds will level out on injuries and they’ll easily make the playoffs. There a lot of bad teams in the NL that wish they had the Braves problems. Let the Mets or Dodgers or both win 105 games. Who cares. All that matters is October. As Braves fans we’ve seen it all the past 35 years and what we’ve learned is that no one knows who will win it all. Without Jack Morris, Kirby Puckett, or a choke against the Yanks the Braves would have 5-6 titles. Just like without Joc we’d still be sitting on 1995. I’m excited to see next October.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 6:46 pm to RunningJacket
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They had to scramble a little
Scramble a little? They had to win Game 162 just to get a wild card spot
Also, as for your statement about Charlie Morton, yes, you need guys who can start in the playoffs, but you also need guys who can get you to the playoffs. Charlie has made at least 30 starts and thrown 160 innings every year he has been here. Having a reliable, durable innings eater who will pitch to a 4 ERA in the regular season is invaluable for a team with World Series hopes.
This post was edited on 12/12/24 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 12/13/24 at 10:03 am to VADawg
I hear but winning the last game was not a lot of scrambling. A lot of scrambling is being 7 out on Sept. 1. The Braves coasted, it got tight, and we made it in. This year we’ll easily be in unless Álbies, Riley, Acuna, and Olsen all get hurt which is doubtful to happen back to back. Then it comes down to having Sale, Strider, Schwelly all available when it matters.
The Dodgers are in the same position. They’ll coast all season for one month of actually playing.
The Dodgers are in the same position. They’ll coast all season for one month of actually playing.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 10:56 am to RunningJacket
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I hear but winning the last game was not a lot of scrambling
Stop saying stupid shite.
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