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re: Support for nine-game SEC football schedule is dwindling

Posted on 5/28/23 at 9:17 am to
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
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Posted on 5/28/23 at 9:17 am to
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I’d like to see a 9 game SEC schedule and the 3 OOC games be against the power 5.


Which means each school will lose at least 2 home games along with the revenue and recruiting weekends that go along with it.

Not happening
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 5/28/23 at 9:44 am to
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Which means each school will lose at least 2 home games along with the revenue and recruiting weekends that go along with it.


Fans have to vote with their wallets… if we don’t want to see LSU vs UAB for example, don’t go to the game and don’t watch it. Do that across the entire SEC and they’ll go to 9 or 10 games with the quickness
Posted by PassingThrough
Member since Sep 2021
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Posted on 5/28/23 at 9:48 am to
Oh, the horror of losing a recruiting weekend. It isn’t like these schools aren’t bringing in recruits every other weekend in offseason. However, sure, let’s show them what it looks like to play a FCS school at noon in September so they get the true experience of what a SEC juggernaut looks like.

You guys are the same ones that bitch and moan about GA losing a recruiting weekend to play The Cocktail Party. At some point, people will realize they seem to be superfluous to the whole thing, and stop scheduling their weekends around going to the game. Let the recruits take their seats.

Posted by bamameister
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Member since May 2016
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Posted on 5/28/23 at 9:50 am to
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Make a deal with Nick Saban. Let Alabama have Arkansas to be one of the 3 permanent opponents.

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Make a deal with Nick Saban. Let Alabama have Arkansas to be one of the 3 permanent opponents.



I know you are new to the SEC dance but even Mizzou should know that Miss State and BAMA have played the most in the SEC. These schools are also the closest to each other.

Auburn, Tennessee, and Miss State. If the SEC can't figure that out then we'll take 8 games.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/28/23 at 9:56 am to
The problem no one ever mentions in 3-6 format:

-the only way to really do it is “big” schools get 2 other big schools and 1 “small” school (and vice versa)

-there’s actually 9/16 schools who could be considered “big” for these purposes (Alabama schools, LSU, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas schools, and Oklahoma)

- So one of these “big” schools will have to be scheduled as if they’re a “small” school, mostly likely Auburn or Texas A&M.

- Given all that, there was ALWAYS going to be 2 “big” schools who ended up with 3 permanents who are all functionally “big” schools, which was likely going to provoke a backlash.

-Alabama ended up being that school, and now they’re changing their vote.
This post was edited on 5/28/23 at 10:00 am
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 5/28/23 at 9:59 am to
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-Alabama ended up being that school, and now they’re changing their vote.


You say that like, Oh, here's ALABAMA, we haven't done them yet.

Sankey knows the problem. If he went to Destin thinking it's all just going to happen anyway, he is probably rethinking that.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/28/23 at 10:12 am to
Whoever that team ended up being was probably going to say hey wait a minute. I don’t really have a problem with that position.

They only thing that was funny was Alabama fans INSISTING this wasn’t happening when it very obviously was.
Posted by bamabenny
Member since Nov 2009
15198 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 11:15 am to
There’s really no excuse for Bama not to have MSU as our third opponent. The LSU/Bama series wasn’t even remotely relevant until this millennium.
Posted by LSU82BILL
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Member since Sep 2006
10621 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 11:20 am to
The funny part is how Bama fans try to act like LSU is desperate for a “rival” and they don’t consider LSU to be one…….but the conference’s own proposal of permanent annual opponents validates that the rivalry is real.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/28/23 at 11:25 am to
The idea that the SEC would give up it’s most relevant and financially lucrative game just so Alabama can have an easier schedule is hilarious.

This post was edited on 5/28/23 at 11:26 am
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27826 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 11:40 am to
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Oh, the horror of losing a recruiting weekend. It isn’t like these schools aren’t bringing in recruits every other weekend in offseason. However, sure, let’s show them what it looks like to play a FCS school at noon in September so they get the true experience of what a SEC juggernaut looks like.


LMAO! You REALLY think schools/AD's want to give up the revenue that goes with 2 home games? Coaches want to lose TWO recruiting weekends?

How can you not get those realities?

Hey,I'm all in on a 9 game SEC schedule
and 3 P5 OOC's and the 9 game schedule might happen depending on how much $$ TV wants to kick but there's no way in hell the 3 P5 OOC's thing is gonna happen.
Posted by UKWildcats
Lexington, KY
Member since Mar 2015
18138 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 11:59 am to
Alabama already plays Auburn, Tennessee, and LSU every year. Pretty lame move by Saban.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
51779 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 12:26 pm to
Question…

How did all the other conferences go to 9 games? Were recruiting weekends not a consideration?
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
54623 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 12:27 pm to
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You mean where bama played 1 east team that finished in the top 3 team for like 7 years?


Correct. Then, in 2012, after almost losing to UGA in the SECCG, LSU and Bama magically switch opponents before the 2013 season. LSU was slated to go to KY after KY came to BR in 2011. Bama was supposed to play AT UGA.

Before the season starts, LSU loses the KY trip in place of UGA, where Bama went to KY.

Totally fair. All done on the up and up.

I don't know why Saban cares, really. He will get a mulligan when his team inevitably loses their most important games. He always does.
Posted by PassingThrough
Member since Sep 2021
2622 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 12:28 pm to
I don’t care about 3 OOC P5 games, but I care very much about 9 game schedule.

As for recruiting weekends, at this point recruiting is about showing them the money and the facilities and winning. That can happen any weekend. And non game weekends probably allow a better view of campus life in general.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36674 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 12:50 pm to
I suspect when its all said and done the SEC will stay with 8 conference games. It is a financial loss to play more conference games and lose home gate revenue unless the television money is significant. Especially because more conference games result in more conference losses - potentially costing bowl or playoff eligibility.

No perfect solution but the die is apparently cast and Texas and Oklahoma will join. Best available option with eight conference games is to play your division and one fixed opposite division team. If you slide Oklahoma into the east and Texas into the west you'll have:

West - East
Alabama - Tennessee
Arkansas - Missouri
Auburn. - Georgia
LSU - Florida
Ole Miss - Vanderbilt
MSU - Kentucky
Texas - Oklahoma
Texas A&M - USC

This allows no rotations but changes the least and keeps the most essential rivalries with 8 games.

Another option is the rotating pod solution with one fixed out of pod opponent. This would have an organized rotation which is somewhat balanced and geographically sensible. It doesn't keep every rival but does one better than the three team option since everyone has four annual opponents.

Pod 1
Texas
Oklahoma
Arkansas
Missouri

Pod 2
Alabama
Tennessee
Kentucky
Vanderbilt

Pod 3
Florida
Georgia
Auburn
USC

Pod 4
LSU
A&M
OM
MSU

Your fixed opponents would potentially include:
Alabama - Auburn
LSU - Florida
Texas - A&M
OM - Arkansas
Posted by LSU82BILL
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Member since Sep 2006
10621 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 5:07 pm to
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Another option is the rotating pod solution with one fixed out of pod opponent.


And what happens the year you play the pod that your permanent opponent is in? Do you play that opponent twice? Where does the 8th conference game come from?
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
15598 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 5:24 pm to
Bama and Vols could play each other as an OOC game.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36674 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 7:38 pm to
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And what happens the year you play the pod that your permanent opponent is in? Do you play that opponent twice? Where does the 8th conference game come from?


You play an alternate from a different pod. Preferably an available school with some history.

I actually love the idea of ten conference games per year it would just require a big television deal to supplement revenue lost with fewer home games. Competitively it would be a disadvantage when the other conferences aren't playing ten.

But supposing the financial incentive was there I really like the five : three pod solution.

Here that would be:

Fives
Alabama : Tennessee
Auburn : Georgia
LSU : Florida
MSU : Kentucky
OM : Vanderbilt

Threes
Texas : Oklahoma
Arkansas : Missouri
USC : A&M

To explain by example how this would work

Alabama schedule:
Year1&2: Auburn, LSU, MSU, OM, Tennessee, Georgia, Kentucky, Texas, Arkansas, USC
Year 3&4: Auburn, LSU, MSU, OM, Tennessee, Florida, Vanderbilt, Oklahoma, Missouri, A&M

Texas schedule:
Year 1&2: Oklahoma, A&M, Arkansas, Missouri, USC, Alabama, Auburn, LSU, OM, MSU
Year 3&4: Oklahoma, A&M, Arkansas, Missouri, USC, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, Vanderbilt

The fives are playing one of the "threes" pods and half of the rotating opposite fives to get ten games

The threes play all of the threes every year and one of the fives to get ten games. The whole rotation (home & away against all 15 conference opponents) takes four years maximum for every team

The one program that is arguably getting screwed by this is South Carolina. They aren't playing their #1 in Georgia every year. You could replace Vanderbilt in the five east pod with USC if that was consensus (since Vanderbilt has the smaller fan support, the negative in that case being the loss of the annual Tennessee vs Vanderbilt game)
Posted by Lou the Jew from LSU
Member since Oct 2006
5011 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 7:53 pm to
Saban don’t want it, it don’t happen.
Period
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