re: SEC and Big East tied for #1 in current bowl standings

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I pwned your arse in this thread

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Psh. You complained that my system was flawed; I never said it wasn't. I asked for a flawless system, and you actually wanted to rank the bowls in importance. Nobody pwn3d anybody.

Kige videos are money, though.

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Ill say this,, any formula is flawed because of conference tie ins allowing undeserving teams to play at all,,

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Who are they? And does anybody else deserve it more than they do?

Apply that to any of the last four years--same question.

Owl, do you believe that SOS is biased and unfair?

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Owl, do you believe that SOS is biased and unfair?

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well anything other than head to head is biased to some degree,, but with 123(?) teams you cant play enough head to head

those computer formulas are as biased as the humans that created the criteria

what Id like to see is a SOS based upon several factors

ranking at the time the game was played and end of year rankings

NO SOS is perfect simply because a team goes thru ups and downs as the season progresses,,

team A might beat Team B at the begging of the year when the starting QB is healthy and Team B is at its best ( top 10 ranking),, but after an injury to the starting QB team B might lose 3-4 games becoming unranked at the end of the year

that dimishes team A's win, but at the time was a solid win,, by the same token Team C might start slow and be only average the first game of the year

its not hard to beat them,but by the end of the year all things are clicking and they are highly ranked,,but the team you beat was NO WHERE as talented at the begggining of the year

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Also it doesnt take into account that some teams are allowed to play at home and build up "points" while others must always play games away from home and do not get the chance to play Team X other than away or neutral site game.

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also part of the SOS flaw,,

good point

but life isnt fair so cet la vie,,

however it COULD be better and still not be totally fair

EX I think teams should have a winning conference record to go ahead of another team that DOES have a winning conference record,, regardless of conference,,

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You keep listing teams who don't deserve bowls. It means nothing unless you provide a list of equal size of teams who deserve to take their places.

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an argument can be made that UL deserved a bowl ahead of Wyoming

UL beat a BSC conference team
Wyoming did not

BUT because of conference tie -ins the New Mexico bowl took Wyoming

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UL beat a BSC conference team
Wyoming did not

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Yeah, but UL is 4-8.

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Southern Won 42-19 ---
Kansas State Won 17-15 ---
at LSU Lost 31-3 ---
at Nebraska Lost 55-0 ---

North Texas Won 38-34 ---
at Western Kentucky Won 30-22 ---
Florida Atlantic Lost 51-29 ---
at Florida International Lost 20-17
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at Arkansas State Won 21-18 ---
Middle Tennessee Lost 34-17 ---
ULM Won 21-17 ---
Troy Lost 48-31

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# Team w% opps% opps-opps%
69 Wyoming 0.455 0.520 0.484
74 Louisiana-Lafayette 0.455 0.445 0.452

Wyoming had the same record vs. a tougher schedule. Using comprehensive statistics, there is no logical way to say that ULL was more deserving of Wyoming.

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and Wyoming schedule is not THAT much tougher than ULLs

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The Bucs didn't score that much more than the Saints today, so it's arguable that they didn't win.

Comprehensive statistics will always point to Wyoming here. Wanna be selective? Fine--but you can "prove" that ULM is better than LSU that way.

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your thread was about the SEC practically wrapping up the best bowl conference based in LARGE part on automatic bowl tie in

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No, it isn't. The SEC has more bowl teams than bowl tie-ins. The tie-in argument is a non-point to begin with since virtually every bowl-eligible team gets an invitation to a bowl.