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re: Saban is right
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:33 pm to Tiger Ryno
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:33 pm to Tiger Ryno
The Pac-10 round robin used to be the best model.
And then every team would have one big OOC game or rival and one cupcake...and that was it.
These bloated divisions in bloated conferences suck...everyone always seems to "miss" the tough teams that year.
And then every team would have one big OOC game or rival and one cupcake...and that was it.
These bloated divisions in bloated conferences suck...everyone always seems to "miss" the tough teams that year.
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Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:33 pm to Master of Sinanju
quote:Which is why they keep it around.
Lots of schools would have trouble getting bowl eligible if the rules were changed.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:35 pm to castorinho
quote:
He scheduled Mercer, did he not?
He's not going to handicap his team. Everyone else is playing these FCS schools once a year, he'll do it too. He may not like it, but he's not an idiot who would jeopardize his team's chances. Bama schedules a big OOC every year, that's more than most can say. Though coming up in 2019 we've got Duke, so it's probably getting harder to get big programs to agree to play Bama OOC.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:38 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:
All P5 conferences play 9 conference games. No FCS games. At least one OOC P5 game.
So, exactly what USC does every single year? Why should other teams do this? SC never gets the benefit of the doubt with a schedule like that. We've never made the title game unless we're undefeated. So we just make it harder on ourselves with no reward. Why should other teams be as dumb as us?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:38 pm to JBeam
quote:Struggling with it compared to what? Alabama has been rather successful.
He was outspoken about high tempo offense because his defensive units were struggling against it.
I'm not naive enough to think it wouldn't help him, but I miss tf out of the cat and mouse style matchups on defense.
It was a blast watching him and Kirby and the signal callers on defense set everything up as offenses did the same.
This, "whoever goes the fastest" and no substitutions style offense isn't as fun for some people. But that's what people want so he'll smoke your arse with that too. I don't think you're being honest if you don't think Saban actually rather play a different style.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:45 pm to ToesOnTheNose213
quote:
So, exactly what USC does every single year?
I think Notre Dame and Southern Cal have probably the most difficult schedules in the nation on a year in and year out basis.
I wish all teams had to schedule like that.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:47 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:Me too.
I wish all teams had to schedule like that.
But I'm afraid it'd be too hard to get everyone on the same page.
Sad.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:47 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Notre Dame pretty much does that
USC pretty much does that
Pac 12 plays extra conf games
Big 12 plays extra conf games
I thought Big 10 was going to play one more conf game starting soon
I think it's a no brainer if you go to a 8 team playoff, eliminate conf title games. All Power 5 champs make it and you have room for more at large and those are generally the ones worthy to play for national title.
USC pretty much does that
Pac 12 plays extra conf games
Big 12 plays extra conf games
I thought Big 10 was going to play one more conf game starting soon
I think it's a no brainer if you go to a 8 team playoff, eliminate conf title games. All Power 5 champs make it and you have room for more at large and those are generally the ones worthy to play for national title.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:53 pm to Tiger Ryno
The problem is too much emphasis on record instead of the body of work. Teams should be punished for playing cupcakes and rewarded for scheduling good ooc opponents.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:54 pm to Tiger Ryno
6 - 16 team superconferences that only play other super conference schools. The six conference winners and two wild cards make an 8 team playoff.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:55 pm to nicholastiger
no need for an 8 team playoff. when a team truly gets screwed out of a shot at the NC let me know, That hasn't happened and won't happen.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:56 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:
All P5 conferences play 9 conference games. No FCS games. At least one OOC P5 game.
The Big Ten moved to this actually.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:57 pm to KosmoCramer
I wish the SEC would do that
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:58 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
not sure CFB needs "fixing" but i agree p5 should only play other p5
Dumb. An out of conference game against UCF/USF or Memphis is a tough game.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:58 pm to SG_Geaux
quote:
This is why the Power 5 needs to be in its own division. It is not their job to subsidize the other schools
No, it's not, but it is better for the overall sport to have more programs. They also subsidize other sports as well.
I agree with the P5 in theory, but then you are create a glass ceiling on the other programs. Who gets to be in the P5 division? All the current teams? The very best non P5 programs are just as good as the worst P5 (ex: is Memphis better than Vandy?).
I would like to see those mid majors compete for something, but it doesn't seem fair if they never had access to the most competitive division. That is, once the divisions are set up, what sort of system would be available for movement between those divisions. There would clearly be more money involved with the biggest division.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:59 pm to OceanMan
quote:
I agree with the P5 in theory, but then you are create a glass ceiling on the other programs.
so what
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:01 pm to Green Chili Tiger
quote:
Interesting timing for this thread considering Alabama plays Mercer this weekend.
That's because there is no incentive for Bama to play a better opponent. As long as you are undefeated, a win over Mercer means just as much as a win over say, Clemson.
I agree with Saban. Get all these cupcake games off the schedules and let the big boys go at it. However, to do so you have to give them incentives. That incentive is to expand the playoffs to the point where 1-2 loses doesn't kill your chances to compete for a NC and there is a HUGE benefit for strength of schedule.
In college basketball the big time programs have no fear of playing one another. Hell, tonight #1 Duke is playing #2 Mich. St. followed by Kansas v. Kentucky. Why? Because a loss isn't going to kill the loser's championship hopes. But win or lose, all teams will benefit from the SOS boost. The big schools WANT to play each other.
No one is saying increase the football playoff to 68 teams. But 8 teams isn't unreasonable. The SOS impact will make big teams more willing to challenge themselves without the incredible fear of losing that game. It also prevents a situation like we had last season where PSU won the Big 10 AND beat Ohio St., yet got left out of the playoff in favor of OSU who only had one loss and didn't have to lay their season on the line one more time than PSU in a conf. championship game. The same thing could happen this season. Auburn could beat Bama and go to the SECCG to play UGA. If AU wins the SECCG that leave them with 2 loses and Bama with only 1. Auburn's crime? Agreeing to play Clemson. Do you put 2-loss AU in ahead of 1 loss Bama? If so, why did you keep PSU out last year? Furthermore, UGA could lose the SECCG and finish with 2 losses. The only reason they would have 2 losses to Alabama's 1 is because they HAD to play one more game than Bama. Hell, it would arguably be better for UGA to NOT play in the SECCG.
Oklahoma could finish with one loss this season and then have to beat a team in the Big 12 championship game they ALREADY beat just to go to the playoffs. It's absurd. Basically, by mere virtue of the fact Auburn has already lost twice, Alabama may ALREADY BE IN the playoffs as long as they beat Mercer this week.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:02 pm to ToesOnTheNose213
quote:
So we just make it harder on ourselves with no reward. Why should other teams be as dumb as us?
In 2008 USC played every Pac10 team and @ Virginia and #5 Ohio State and Notre Dame and got left out of the BCS title game because of a 6-point loss on the road to Oregon State.
In 2006 USC played every Pac10 team and @ Arkansas and Nebraska and Notre Dame and got left out of the the BCS title game with 2 losses by a total of 6 points.
Teams are never rewarded for difficult schedules nor punished for cupcake schedules. So coaches realize it's nice to schedule bye weeks basically and play cupcakes early in the year to tune up and then late in the year to not ruin your playoff chances.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:02 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
so what
there were more words you must have missed after the quote.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:03 pm to OceanMan
i didnt miss them, i just dont see it as a problem. who cares if Memphis gets locked into a lower division? They essentially are now anyway in every way except officially.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 3:04 pm
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