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re: Ryan Day: tOSU will no longer schedule P4s OOC unless Big 10 is guaranteed 4 playoff spots

Posted on 7/22/25 at 9:53 pm to
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 7/22/25 at 9:53 pm to
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Dastardly manipulated the last playoff to insure they got the most teams in and got the most revenue from the home games.

Lol. They had 1 home game in the playoffs. The 8/9 game that they manipulated their way into; the team that played at home was the team that easily ran through the entire field, including Big10 champ and unanimous #1, who was royally screwed by the new format.
Posted by St Augustine
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
70490 posts
Posted on 7/22/25 at 10:13 pm to
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No. 90% of teams were out of the running by week 5.


And it was fricking amazing. Every game felt like life or death. If your team clawed its way back into the mix late in the year it was TRULY glorious like you had been given second life. Now it’s like the retarded version of the nfl.
This post was edited on 7/22/25 at 10:18 pm
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
161607 posts
Posted on 7/22/25 at 11:45 pm to
Well let’s be honest here…this is all about content creation, they give 0 fricks about the on field product. The networks have been paying out the arse for these rights and don’t care about watering down the product, as long as it’s on, draws a good enough number, and they can sell ads because it’s one of the few things left that people still watch live. Expand the playoffs…more content, more ads..
Posted by ChatGPT of LA
Member since Mar 2023
4068 posts
Posted on 7/23/25 at 12:18 am to
And their power rankings will drop and therefore....bye
Posted by StansberryRules
Member since Aug 2024
4053 posts
Posted on 7/23/25 at 12:22 am to
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ETA: go back to the BCS. Top 2 teams. One game. That era of college football was infinitely better and more enjoyable.


Agreed. I liked it better when a single loss could potentially kill your season. Making the championship game was a very difficult thing to do and most fanbases didn't expect it.

Now you have about 20 fanbases who all think their team should be in the playoffs most years and if they don't make it they complain.
Posted by New Money
Athens, GA
Member since Jun 2023
3163 posts
Posted on 7/23/25 at 5:56 am to
Only conference champs should get automatic bids!!
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
17585 posts
Posted on 7/23/25 at 7:01 am to
That ain't gonna happen Ryan, what they need to do is incentivize playing tougher schedules.

NOBODY wants to see their team or any team play 4 directional rent-a-win schools. I can't stand having to go watch us play Southeastern or Grambling, the interest level is near zero for me.
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
11555 posts
Posted on 7/23/25 at 7:02 am to
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Smaller teams had a better chance to win a big game or two in the midst of an undefeated season and then if they make the title game all they have to do is win one game. Smaller teams are not running through 4 talented teams in a row to win a natty despite the facade of auto bids "giving them a chance".

Tell me about all these small programs who played for national titles in the 2 team format.
Posted by Ssubba
Member since Oct 2014
7345 posts
Posted on 7/23/25 at 7:08 am to
If you're paying attention, Sankey is saying the SEC won't go to 9 conference games unless the playoff format agrees to using a certain SOS metric to determine teams, which would favor SEC teams and get the conference 4-5 spots each year.
Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
24905 posts
Posted on 7/23/25 at 7:11 am to
Right it’s just the top players supporting their conference nothing more or less
Posted by jlovel7
NOT Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
23718 posts
Posted on 7/23/25 at 7:13 am to
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They really blew it by expanding the playoff beyond 8. 5 conference champs and 3 at-large still ensured that deserving teams would get their shot while still making the regular season matter since 2 losses likely knocks you out of at-large contention. And you’d still have to play a respectable schedule with only 3 at large spots


College football is currently in off the rails mode.
Posted by jlovel7
NOT Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
23718 posts
Posted on 7/23/25 at 7:13 am to
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Tell me about all these small programs who played for national titles in the 2 team format.


Why are we catering to small programs that don’t have a shot in any format?
Posted by OKBoomerSooner
Member since Dec 2019
4756 posts
Posted on 7/23/25 at 8:49 am to
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The solution is really simple. A component of SOS needs to be truly added into the selection criteria coupled with with w/l and maybe even a computed rating system similar to the bcs. Very few people actually had a problem with the bcs system itself, and more with only 2 teams getting in

Honestly yea this. BCS rankings with top 8 teams.

My dream would be to bring back the four New Year’s Day bowls with conference tie-ins and then pick after the bowl games, but the season would run way too long and the conferences don’t really exist anymore
Posted by WaterLink
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
20452 posts
Posted on 7/23/25 at 9:49 am to
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Tell me about all these small programs who played for national titles in the 2 team format.


I'm saying it was more plausible for it to happen in the old format, not that it was a common occurrence. Boise came close a couple of times, was preseason top 5 twice but Brotzman missed kicks to lose games both years. I brought it up because it was a big gripe and reason for expansion, particularly more auto bids than there are power conferences, guaranteeing a mid major makes it every year, that smaller schools didn't have a chance to compete for a national title. What I'm saying is back then yeah it took some luck in the rest of the field, combined with an undefeated season, and probably good seasons leading up to it to be highly ranked in the preseason, to be selected for the game. But if they got there then all they have to do is win 1 game, not 4. In terms of actually WINNING a national title, the old format gave them a better chance. I say better chance, I don't say good chance.

Even the 4 team playoff I didn't really have much of a problem with, and Cincinnati made one of those out of the AAC, they would have had to win 2 games though and obviously couldn't win the first one. That format was probably the best chance teams like that had honestly. As it stands now though, they have to go through 4 teams, not just 1 or 2 and I don't see that ever happening. Now instead of ending the season winning a big bowl game like TCU in the Rose Bowl or Boise in the Fiesta or Utah in the Sugar they get to unceremoniously get eliminated in the playoffs.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60663 posts
Posted on 7/23/25 at 9:50 am to
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Bama played @UW


And they were unranked when you played them and finished 5-7

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ended the season with a top 5 SOS


By which measure? Not doubting you necessarily but the highest one for Bama i could find was 9. The thing about SOS we act like it’s some Pythagorean truth but there’s a lot of variation.

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what does that schedule have in common with IU?


More loses? I saw a SOS with Florida #1 should they have made the playoffs? At what point do actual results matter? The bottom line is Bama got boat raced by 6-6 OU knowing everything was on the line. Win that game and they are in and spare me the “worn out” nonsense the 2 games before losing to OU Bama played Mercer and destroyed LSU they lost to OU because they were inconsistent which typically means not very good
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60663 posts
Posted on 7/23/25 at 10:09 am to
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Your pithy comment aside, this debate is bigger than one program. For whatever reason you are incapable of seeing the forest through the trees.


I can’t see the forest for the trees? I mentioned Bama and OM because they were the 2 highest ranked SEC teams that did not make it. And they didn’t make it because both lost games to team ls they had no business losing to. Sorry UGA debunks the whole “don’t play a tough schedule” narrative

The problem you are missing is SMU and the Conference Championship Games. yes they had a garbage schedule and no they were “better” than Bama but if you keep them out after losing a CCG then you really hurt the CCG. The SECCG is a cash cow and Sankey does not want to lose it but really the CCG should go. You are far better off being like tOSU, don’t have to play CCG, get a home playoff. Texas and PSU lost the CCG and got home playoff games which the winners Oregon and UGA did not and better 2nd round match ups

This post was edited on 7/23/25 at 10:11 am
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
22670 posts
Posted on 7/23/25 at 10:20 am to
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They really blew it by expanding the playoff beyond 8.

They blew it by doing anything other than choosing the top 4 BCS teams for a playoff. I would accept 6 if you want to reward the top 2 teams with a bye. Get rid of the committee, bring back the BCS, and reduce the teams.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
60946 posts
Posted on 7/23/25 at 10:50 am to
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No. 90% of teams were out of the running by week 5.

And it was glorious.


Not really. It wasn't even 90% done by week 5. It was 90% were out before a game was ever played. A 13-0 Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, or Kentucky would NEVER jump a 13-0 Ohio State and 13-0 Notre Dame fin tady's landscape.

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1984 BYU will never happen in this format


1984 BYU only happened b/c they went 53-9 in the 5 years before 1984 and started the year beating preseason #3 Pitt vaulting them up the polls. They also needed every single other school to have a regular season loss. BTW Pitt went on to finish 3-7-1 and had their first losing season since 1972.

No team worth a shite was willing to even play BYU in their bowl that year and they won the AP title beating a 6-6 Michigan in the Holiday Bowl. That's not glorious at all. This board would be apocalyptic if a team whose best win came over a 8-4 Air Force was voted champs over an 11-1 #2 Washington whose only loss was to 9-3 USC on the road and beat 9-2-1 OU by double digits in the Orange Bowl.
This post was edited on 7/23/25 at 10:53 am
Posted by Pistols Firing 12
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2016
1051 posts
Posted on 7/23/25 at 11:02 am to
I miss the BCS
Posted by Glorious
Mobile
Member since Aug 2014
26094 posts
Posted on 7/23/25 at 11:15 am to
People blame NIL, but greed from commissioners and tv execs are what really fricked over the sport. The SEC should have never invited Texas and OU

Now you’ve got the SEC and B1G trying to make the playoffs an invitational just so 1 fricking team doesn’t feel screwed over. (Jalen Milroe walking into Happy Valley in December would have made me an alcoholic)
This post was edited on 7/23/25 at 11:18 am
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