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re: Rank the top 10 current NBA players

Posted on 4/24/17 at 2:52 pm to
Posted by DallasTiger45
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 4/24/17 at 2:52 pm to
From this thread it appears that Paul George is currently the MSB's most overrated player.

He's not a top 10 player at this point and time. Jimmy Butler had a significantly better season and he barely made anyone's top 10.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85122 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 2:52 pm to
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AD should be lower than tier 2. He hasn't even won a playoff game. Yeah, he puts up stats but it hasn't led to winning at all.


It is hard to rank big men. They're elite in their own right, but in today's NBA they have a hard time carrying a team on their own. It is a difficult task to separate the man from the team.
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 4/24/17 at 2:55 pm to
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AD should be lower than tier 2. He hasn't even won a playoff game. Yeah, he puts up stats but it hasn't led to winning at all.



Oh my goodness
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111123 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 2:55 pm to
quote:

1. James
2. KD
3. Kawhi
4. Harden
5. Westbrook
6. Curry
7. Giannis
8. PG13
9. AD
10. Wall


No CP3, no friend of mine!!!

Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111123 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 2:56 pm to
quote:

Hassan Whiteside might not be a top 10 player but would likely be a top 10 pick if every team started from scratch

Not even close to top 10.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9822 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 2:56 pm to
4 pages and nobody has included Klay Thompson yet? On any other team, he is the leader and he is the best SG in the league (especially with Harden being a PG mainly now). My list would go..

James
Curry
Leonard
Harden
Westbrook
Durant
George
Thompson
Wall
Giannis

Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
83549 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 2:56 pm to
quote:

Jimmy Butler had a significantly better season
....eh.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111123 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 2:58 pm to
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Well I value defense a ton. I know the Cavs swept the Pacers but George went toe to toe with LBJ. I might would drop AD down just because he's made of glass

You value defense way too much if you have Paul George over Steph Curry.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
83549 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 2:59 pm to
quote:

No CP3, no friend of mine!!!
'Twas by design
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85122 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 3:01 pm to
quote:

Jimmy Butler had a significantly better season

....eh.


Counting stats were close, but every advanced stat of note favored Butler by quite a bit. He's not wrong.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111123 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 3:01 pm to
quote:

We have a clear cut top 7-8 IMO


Bron, Durant, Curry, Kawhi, Westbrook, Harden, Davis, then CP3


Lebron should be the clear #1, but from 2-7 it is super hard to rank.
Probably the best post in this thread.

Lebron is #1, no debate to be had. 2-8 can go in all kinds of directions with great arguments, but I truly believe KD/Curry/Kawhi/Russ/Harden/AD/CP3 along with LeBron basically have to be your top 8 in whatever order you like.

I think those 8 dudes have created quite the gap between #9 and on.
Posted by DallasTiger45
Member since May 2012
8440 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 3:01 pm to
quote:

Jimmy Butler had a significantly better season


quote:

....eh.


Huge lead in WS, WS/48, BPM, and VORP = significantly better
Posted by kadillak
Member since Nov 2007
7641 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 3:01 pm to
1 Jokic
2 LBJ
3 KD
4 Leonard
5 Ingles
6 Westbrook
7 Curry
8 Harden
9 AD
10 Playoff Rondo
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85122 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 3:02 pm to
quote:

You value defense way too much if you have Paul George over Steph Curry.


Yeah, that's silly.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32692 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 3:03 pm to
Thompson is a great shooter and defender, he's not a top 8 player, though.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
83549 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 3:04 pm to
quote:

Counting stats were close, but every advanced stat of note favored Butler by quite a bit. He's not wrong.
I see I see. Y'all right.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111123 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 3:04 pm to
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I think he benefits a crazy amount from having guys like Klay space the floor
This is 100% the opposite. Klay benefits from Steph infinitely more than the other way around.

The % of each players' 3s that are assisted tells you all you need to know there. Curry is over 60% this season, in the 50s the last 2 seasons. Klay is always over 90%, with 96% of his 3s being assisted this season, that's insane. And that's largely in part due to Curry, whereas Curry is actually creating on his own for roughly 40% of his 3s.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25778 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 3:05 pm to
You list a top 10 and all of them made the playoffs but one, and his healthy team finished 14 games under .500

I think AD can be as unstoppable as anyone, but if he's really a top 10 guy, then we should be in the playoffs when he plays as much as he did this year.
OKC is terrible and Westbrook got them 13 more victories. And he guided them to 45 wins a few years ago when Durant was out the majority of the year.
The Pacers don't have a great team either this year, yet they found a way to stay above .500

I'm the biggest Pels fan around, and I wouldn't put AD in the top 10, at least not until he starts getting his team to the postseason. He is easily one of the most talented players in the league, but is yet to figure out how to turn that into victories for his team on a consistent basis.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27324 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 3:05 pm to
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It is hard to rank big men. They're elite in their own right, but in today's NBA they have a hard time carrying a team on their own.
Then how good are they if they don't impact their team the same as other players?
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32692 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 3:05 pm to
I'm just glad no one put DeRozan in their top 10
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