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Putting some larger context around Bama’s playoff bid
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:43 am
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:43 am
SEC has 5 teams in the top 13
SEC has won the last four national championships with three different teams.
Alabama and Georgia have combined to win 5 out of the 9 CFP national championships, including the last 3.
Alabama went undefeated in the SEC, beating 3 teams in the top 15, including undefeated back to back national champion UGA in Atlanta.
58% of teams who have participated in the CFP entered with 1 loss. Those losses include:
‘14 Ohio State loss to unranked Virginia Tech
‘15 Mich St loss @ unranked Nebraska
‘15 OU loss to unranked Texas
‘17 Clemson loss to unranked Syracuse
‘17 OU to unranked Iowa St
‘19 OU at unranked Kansas St
The idea of leaving out 12-1 SEC champion Bama because of a September loss to a one-loss team is preposterous.
SEC has won the last four national championships with three different teams.
Alabama and Georgia have combined to win 5 out of the 9 CFP national championships, including the last 3.
Alabama went undefeated in the SEC, beating 3 teams in the top 15, including undefeated back to back national champion UGA in Atlanta.
58% of teams who have participated in the CFP entered with 1 loss. Those losses include:
‘14 Ohio State loss to unranked Virginia Tech
‘15 Mich St loss @ unranked Nebraska
‘15 OU loss to unranked Texas
‘17 Clemson loss to unranked Syracuse
‘17 OU to unranked Iowa St
‘19 OU at unranked Kansas St
The idea of leaving out 12-1 SEC champion Bama because of a September loss to a one-loss team is preposterous.
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Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:45 am to Jon Ham
Thank God we only have two more hours until this all stops
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:46 am to Jon Ham
I would love to see bama left out, but I do not see it happening.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:47 am to Jon Ham
Only two of your “larger context” points have any relevance to the decision.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:52 am to Jon Ham
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SEC has 5 teams in the top 13
I guess you could say this speaks to strength of schedule.
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SEC has won the last four national championships with three different teams.
Has frick all to do with this season
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Alabama and Georgia have combined to win 5 out of the 9 CFP national championships, including the last 3.
Has frick all to do with this season
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Alabama went undefeated in the SEC, beating 3 teams in the top 15
That's a fair argument
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including undefeated back to back national champion UGA in Atlanta.
Has frick all to do with this season
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58% of teams who have participated in the CFP entered with 1 loss. Those losses include:
‘14 Ohio State loss to unranked Virginia Tech
‘15 Mich St loss @ unranked Nebraska
‘15 OU loss to unranked Texas
‘17 Clemson loss to unranked Syracuse
‘17 OU to unranked Iowa St
‘19 OU at unranked Kansas St
Has frick all to do with this season
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:52 am to Jon Ham
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The idea of leaving out 12-1 SEC champion Bama because of a September loss to a one-loss team is preposterous.
Especially when Alabama would likely absolutely boatrace the team they lost to in September if they played today.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:53 am to Jon Ham
College football is not the NFL. Teams change dramatically every year so winning the title two years in a row didn’t mean shite.
LSU was awful after winning their NC. Should Bama have gotten bonus points for beating 2020 LSU?
The SEC is awful this year by its own standards this year and performs poorly OOC, especially the SEC West which was 0-3 vs the ACC, and it was 3 of the top 4 SEC West teams.
Saying teams made it in with one loss in seasons where the other options were very different is stupid. They have no meaning in this scenario.
There has never been a P5 champ left out, yet you are advocating for that.
You have never put in a conference champ or two non conference champs with the same record not in with a head to head win over the other team in consideration with the same record.
So you are asking them to buck history for a team that doesn’t have any argument to get in.
UGA is not the #1 team. Michigan is now, si Nama did not beat the #1 team in the end.
LSU was awful after winning their NC. Should Bama have gotten bonus points for beating 2020 LSU?
The SEC is awful this year by its own standards this year and performs poorly OOC, especially the SEC West which was 0-3 vs the ACC, and it was 3 of the top 4 SEC West teams.
Saying teams made it in with one loss in seasons where the other options were very different is stupid. They have no meaning in this scenario.
There has never been a P5 champ left out, yet you are advocating for that.
You have never put in a conference champ or two non conference champs with the same record not in with a head to head win over the other team in consideration with the same record.
So you are asking them to buck history for a team that doesn’t have any argument to get in.
UGA is not the #1 team. Michigan is now, si Nama did not beat the #1 team in the end.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:54 am to Jon Ham
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The idea of leaving out 12-1 SEC champion Bama because of a September loss to a one-loss team is preposterous.
So you gets left out? The team that beat them? Or the team that went 13-0?
Florida State beating a 10-2 team at a neutral site is somehow disqualifying them from the playoffs but Bama pulling a miracle out if their arse against a dogshit Auburn team isn't?
Bama had a great season but to pretend their resume is flawless is revisionist history.
late pull away from 6-6 G5 team
Miracle at 6-6 Auburn
3-point win vs. 4-8 team
lost by 10 at home
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:55 am to Green Chili Tiger
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quote:58% of teams who have participated in the CFP entered with 1 loss.
Also, if we are hanging our hats on muh precedent, how many P5 undefeateds have ever been excluded again?
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:55 am to MemphisGuy
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Especially when Alabama would likely absolutely boatrace the team they lost to in September if they played today.
Based on what? UT is playing as good as anyone right now and Bama needed a miracle just a week ago to beat freaking 6-6 Auburn who had just lost by 21 at home to New Mexico State.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:55 am to Jon Ham
You would have an argument if Alabama had not lost to Texas. The previous years play no part in this. It just so happened that this year you had undefeated conference champions which was unprecedented and Alabama and Texas played head to head. If Alabama had lost to anyone else they would have an argument about strength of schedule, beating the previous 2 time champion, etc. That head to head game was the playoff game between Alabama and Texas.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:56 am to Jon Ham
Dopey fans of non-Bama SEC teams in here more than delighted to shoot their teams in the foot if it means keeping Bama out this year. They clearly haven’t stopped to consider the implications of putting the ACC at the same relative level as SEC.
If Bama is left out precedent has been firmly set that the SEC champ takes a back seat to ACC champ.
If Bama is left out precedent has been firmly set that the SEC champ takes a back seat to ACC champ.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:57 am to Robin Masters
What’s the implication when we are talking about an undefeated team?
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:58 am to Jon Ham
Don’t get your arse kicked at home and struggle against USF, AND need a miracle to beat a .500 team all in one season.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:59 am to Jon Ham
That’s not context that’s gate keeping.
Using this train of thought every other team going into the season thinking
“hopefully Alabama or Georgia loses multiple games or gets a bad injury because no matter what we do this season (including going undefeated) they get a spot because of their talent and preconceived strength regardless of on field performance”
which is so fricked up
Using this train of thought every other team going into the season thinking
“hopefully Alabama or Georgia loses multiple games or gets a bad injury because no matter what we do this season (including going undefeated) they get a spot because of their talent and preconceived strength regardless of on field performance”
which is so fricked up
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:59 am to Robin Masters
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If Bama is left out precedent has been firmly set that the SEC champ takes a back seat to ACC champ.
No, it sets a precedent that 13-0 > 12-1 which most of us already subscribe to.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 9:01 am to Y.A. Tittle
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What’s the implication when we are talking about an undefeated team?
Is it easier or harder to remain undefeated in a lesser conference?
You obviously think ACC is greater or equal to SEC. That’s fine but be prepared to accept consequences of that in the future when it impacts LSU
Posted on 12/3/23 at 9:03 am to Jon Ham
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The idea of leaving out 12-1 SEC champion Bama because of a September loss to a one-loss team is preposterous
Each year should stand alone. Previous years should not factor into what happens or who gets in this year or any other year.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 9:03 am to Robin Masters
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They clearly haven’t stopped to consider the implications of putting the ACC at the same relative level as SEC.
That isn't happening. The comparison isn't between two teams with equal records.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 9:03 am to Robin Masters
Florida State scheduled SEC West champs OOC and won
Bama didn’t win their OOC matchup at home, and in fact lost by 10
Bama didn’t win their OOC matchup at home, and in fact lost by 10
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