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re: Players with triple doubles in the NCAA tournament.
Posted on 3/22/19 at 10:22 am to WildcatMike
Posted on 3/22/19 at 10:22 am to WildcatMike
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Walton
Draymond Green
Wade
Kareem
And now Morant
Shaq had 26-13-11(blocks) in 1992 vs BYU in the NCAAT.
Game Highllights
This post was edited on 3/22/19 at 10:24 am
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Posted on 3/22/19 at 10:23 am to McCaigBro69
quote:This never improves!! And they said the same thing about Blake Griffin.
but his mid-range game is average at best and I don’t see him being a 30% 3-point guy in the league.
quote:So you hope your team doesn't take a guy that can be a top 10 NBA player?
but I don’t see him being anything more than Blake Griffin in terms of production (which is not a bad thing, Blake was a top 10 player at one time)
quote:Giannis says Hi.
The recipe for success in today’s NBA is stretching the court and having 7 footers at the 4/5 who can shoot from anywhere. Dallas knows this, Dirk is the prime example and it’s another reason they went after Porzingis. I don’t think the piece we are missing is a tweener 3/4 guy who can’t shoot the deep ball consistently.
Posted on 3/22/19 at 10:26 am to Choupique19
quote:Perhaps, a more accurate list here: LINK
Shaq had 26-13-11(blocks) in 1992 vs BYU in the NCAAT.
Gary Grant
Shaq
David Cain
Andre Miller
DWade
Cole Aldrich
Draymond Green
Ja Morant
Posted on 3/22/19 at 10:30 am to McCaigBro69
He has a better 3 pt% than Morvant did his freshmen year... just throwing that out there.
Posted on 3/22/19 at 10:32 am to shel311
Uh. Giannis is also 6’11 and can play post O and D. Im not convinced Zion has nearly the success in the post he has had in college. Then you combine that with his mediocre jump shooting. Clog the lane vs Zion and make him shoot the 3. NBA has the athleticism to make him shoot farther from the rim than smaller college players. We shall see.
I’m taking an above average PG though with elite vision and a 3pt shot that can be improved to make him a dangerous scorer. You aren’t a shitty 3ball shooter if you can make the kinda juked step back he hit. I’ve not watched him enough, but his 3ball form probably just isn’t consistent enough.
Zion is a straight up gather and spot shooter.
I’m taking an above average PG though with elite vision and a 3pt shot that can be improved to make him a dangerous scorer. You aren’t a shitty 3ball shooter if you can make the kinda juked step back he hit. I’ve not watched him enough, but his 3ball form probably just isn’t consistent enough.
Zion is a straight up gather and spot shooter.
Posted on 3/22/19 at 10:32 am to McCaigBro69
NM answered above
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Posted on 3/22/19 at 10:39 am to McCaigBro69
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mid-range game
Irrelevant in today's NBA
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I don’t see him being a 30% 3-point guy in the league.
Why not? He shot 31% from 3 in college.
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I don’t see him being anything more than Blake Griffin in terms of production
I hate this comparison, Griffin was a low post player who tried to develop into a wing player. Zion is a wing player who has the body to also go into the low post.
Posted on 3/22/19 at 10:43 am to jackwoods4
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I'm not saying he won't improve, but you do realize one of the primary concerns with Morant is he hasn't shot the three ball particularly well, right? You're having to hope he develops that like Fox.
Morant wouldn’t need to be a primary scorer in Dallas’ system.
Lol I am only making this point in the case of Dallas as well. I think Morant is the best player available for the Mavs. It won’t be that way for every team.
Posted on 3/22/19 at 10:47 am to shel311
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So you hope your team doesn't take a guy that can be a top 10 NBA player?
Blake never won shite.
Just like James Harden, it doesn’t matter if you drop 40 a game if you can’t win a ring.
quote:
Giannis says Hi.
Giannis is 6’11 and can play the post. Zion is 6’7 lmao
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why not Zion shot 31% from three
Because he attempts less than two per game. You really think a dude that shoots a 50% more valuable shot only twice a game is going to magically start shooting or making 3-4 a night against better defense?
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I hate this comparison, Griffin was a low post player who tried to develop into a wing player. Zion is a wing player who has the body to also go into the low post.
How many elite wing players in the NBA on winning teams are shooting less than two three-point shots a night?
Zion is shooting like 75% within the arc on like 9-10 attempts per game. That is not how a wing player plays.
This post was edited on 3/22/19 at 10:52 am
Posted on 3/22/19 at 11:24 am to McCaigBro69
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Blake never won shite.
Just like James Harden, it doesn’t matter if you drop 40 a game if you can’t win a ring.
Such a terrible argument. Would you rather Blake Griffin or Hasheem Thabeet? Neither have won shite so they're worth the same value right?
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You really think a dude that shoots a 50% more valuable shot only twice a game is going to magically start shooting or making 3-4 a night against better defense?
Blake Griffin took 10 threes in his entire college career. He's now taking 6.8 per game at 35%.
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Zion is shooting like 75% within the arc on like 9-10 attempts per game.
0.75*2=1.5 points per shot. You'd have to shoot 50% from 3 to be more efficient than that. How many people do that?
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How many elite wing players in the NBA on winning teams are shooting less than two three-point shots a night?
Well, Giannis...
How many elite wing players are there in the NBA. 4? 5 maybe?
There are some (very few) legit criticisms of Zion's game but you haven't even come remotely close to making 1 decent point.
Posted on 3/22/19 at 11:27 am to Not Cooper
I disagree that I’m even trying to point out a flaw in his game lol. He is a fantastic player I’m just nitpicking measurables and stats.
Like I said, I think he will almost certainly at the very least be a Blake like player.
But I also think Morant, if he reaches his potential which isn’t guaranteed, could be pre-ACL Derrick Rose, but could also be a Tyreke Evans type.
Like I said, I think he will almost certainly at the very least be a Blake like player.
But I also think Morant, if he reaches his potential which isn’t guaranteed, could be pre-ACL Derrick Rose, but could also be a Tyreke Evans type.
This post was edited on 3/22/19 at 11:28 am
Posted on 3/22/19 at 11:28 am to I Bleed Garnet
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Say the Hawks or Cavs get the 2nd pick.
Do they take Morant?
I think the Cavs would do it. Sexton would make a hell of a 6th man and they could play together at times.
Posted on 3/22/19 at 11:35 am to WildcatMike
Most people on the MSB are very crowd mentality. They get very emotional about their beliefs.
But, yes, Morant is easily the top player in the draft.
But Zion sells tickets. Media circus has made him the number 1 pick.
But, whoever gets number two pick will walk out smiles lie they stole something.
Has a very Reggie Bush feel to it doesnt it?
But, yes, Morant is easily the top player in the draft.
But Zion sells tickets. Media circus has made him the number 1 pick.
But, whoever gets number two pick will walk out smiles lie they stole something.
Has a very Reggie Bush feel to it doesnt it?
Posted on 3/22/19 at 11:51 am to Moarbenchespeaze
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But, yes, Morant is easily the top player in the draft.
But Zion sells tickets.
I would hope an NBA front office isn't so short sighted to think "Zion sells tickets" makes sense when Ja is going to sell a ton of tickets as soon as people see him killing it in the league right away.
Posted on 3/22/19 at 11:59 am to Cap Crunch
quote:Morant has been projected as a top 3 pick before the tournament.
Recency bias is a hell of a drug
Posted on 3/22/19 at 12:01 pm to McCaigBro69
Rose was so explosive pre injury.
Posted on 3/22/19 at 12:11 pm to McCaigBro69
quote:Neither has Westbrook, Paul George, Giannis, Anthony Davis, Chris Paul, Embiid, Lillard, John Wall, etc. Even Kevin Durant before he joined the Warriors. Even past greats like Steve Nash, Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing, etc.
Blake never won shite.
Just like James Harden, it doesn’t matter if you drop 40 a game if you can’t win a ring.
What a dumb fricking argument.
Just because players haven’t yet or didn’t win a ring doesn’t mean they are incapable. It means there are other Hall of Fame players and great teams who are playing against them and they may fall short. If Steph Curry was drafted 4th by the King’s instead of 7th by the Warriors, he’d probably have zero titles right now.
This post was edited on 3/22/19 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 3/22/19 at 12:14 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Morant has been projected as a top 3 pick before the tournament.
He’s been projected top 5 for months now.
Like you said, this isn’t recency bias. The only people who think so are the ones who hadn’t watched him play beforehand.
Posted on 3/22/19 at 1:34 pm to McCaigBro69
Athletic, versatile wings are the most difficult thing to find in the NBA.
I always shake my head at this comparison-- like it somehow diminishes Zion.
You do realize that Blake is playing at an All-NBA level again, and better than when he finished in third in MVP voting. He's a 6 time All-Star, and seems likely to make his 6th All NBA team this year. If you get that from a #1, that's a pretty great run.
Oh-- and he's a perimeter player now.
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I hate this comparison, Griffin was a low post player
I always shake my head at this comparison-- like it somehow diminishes Zion.
You do realize that Blake is playing at an All-NBA level again, and better than when he finished in third in MVP voting. He's a 6 time All-Star, and seems likely to make his 6th All NBA team this year. If you get that from a #1, that's a pretty great run.
Oh-- and he's a perimeter player now.
Posted on 3/22/19 at 1:37 pm to Jwho77
As others said, any GM that goes against the grain here is doomed.
It is a business. Zion will bring $$$$ faster than a whore in Nevada.
But, Morant is the obvious number one in todays NBA. He is a quarterback that sees the floor, scores, defends, and can soar. With some weight training he will be about unstoppable in the NBA.
It will be his playground in 5 years. His high volume is as efficient too. It is a no brainer, but Zion has marketability NOW with a quick pay out.
It is a business. Zion will bring $$$$ faster than a whore in Nevada.
But, Morant is the obvious number one in todays NBA. He is a quarterback that sees the floor, scores, defends, and can soar. With some weight training he will be about unstoppable in the NBA.
It will be his playground in 5 years. His high volume is as efficient too. It is a no brainer, but Zion has marketability NOW with a quick pay out.
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